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Wretches]]
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* UglyCute: They are not as deformed as the creatures from the first game.[[FridgeHorror Or they are much more deformed and barely look human at all]]. The just look like some kind of vaguely humanoid pig animal.
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* PsychopathicManchild: They generally patrol one area and, once Mandus has left that area (even through non-loading screen means), they're content to leave him be. And, as noted on the YMMV page, many of them [[spoiler: were taken from insane asylums, and were described in-game (prior to the change) as simpletons]].
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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Only after regaining memory does he realize how much of an asshole he really is.
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* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Only after regaining memory does he realize how much of an asshole he really is.
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* HumansAreTheRealMonsters: His rants are often littered with misanthropy.
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* HumansAreTheRealMonsters: His rants are often littered with misanthropy. misanthropy, and he has utter contempt both for the "filthy and brainless" lower class and the rich and "enlightened" upper class who happily allow the suffering of those "beneath" them to continue. [[spoiler: However it was his visions of the far more horrifying atrocities humans would commit in the 20th century all over the world that caused him to snap and create a machine to "make pigs of them all"]]
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* PapaWolf: Despite being scarred out of his wits and hunted by an army of nightmarish Human/Pig abominations he still willingly dives headfirst into the madness and terror of the machine in order to save his children. [[spoiler: Deconstructed. He kills However, this trope is also tragically deconstructed as he killed his two sons before the game started in order to prevent save them them from dying far more horrible deaths in World War I.]]
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WellIntentionedExtremist: Despite his despicable crimes and plans, he genuinely wants to "save" humanity and to stop the countless wars and genocides that will come with the 20th century.]]
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* [[spoiler: DeadAllAlong: Were killed before the game starts by Mandus both as a sacrifice to the Machine and to save from from dying in the Somme]]
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Given that the term \"wretch\" is capitalized several times in the game, I think this was supposed to be their name. Correct me if I\'m wrong.
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* {{Irony}}: He holds vehement disdain over the industrialization of the 20th century, yet he practices in IndustrializedEvil himself.
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* StartXToStopX: His FatalFlaw, arguably. He has no other way to [[BuffySpeak combat what he hates other than to use what he hates to combat what he hates]].
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-->'''Mandus''': When did I say tat? that? That is ''not'' me. ''That is not me!''
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*MyGodWhatHaveIDoneMyGodWhatHaveIDone: Only after regaining memory does he realize how much of an asshole he really is.
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* HumansAreTheRealMonsters: His rants are often littered with misanthropy.
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* [[spoiler: Redemption Equals Death: RedemptionEqualsDeath: To protect all of London from becoming sacrifices to the Engineer, Mandus re-merges with his creation, killing them both.]]
* [[spoiler: VillainProtagonist: Mandus killed hisown children, sons, sent orphans to clean pipes that'll burn them alive if they stick around too long, fed the surviving orphan cleaners to the pigs, created a MadGod from his soul who murdered thousands, and performed horrifying experiments on humans and animals.]]
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* UglyCute: They are not as deformed as the creatures from the first game.[[FridgeHorror Or they are much more deformed and barely look human at all]]. The just look like some kind of vaguely humanoid pig animal.
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* SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute: From the torso down, it looks a lot like a Servant Grunt from the last game. Which makes sense since [[spoiler: Mandus was able to acquire the corpse of one and use it as a study]].
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* ActionSurvivor
* [[spoiler: AristocratsAreEvil]]
* [[spoiler: HeelRealization]]
* HeroicMime: Averted. Even though Mandus doesn't speak a lot, he still talks in the present unlike Daniel.
* [[spoiler: HeroicSacrifice]]
* HeroicMime: Averted. Even though Mandus doesn't speak a lot, he still talks in the present unlike Daniel.
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* PapaWolf: [[spoiler:Deconstructed. He kills his two sons to prevent them from dying horrible deaths in World War I.]]
* [[spoiler:Redemption Equals Death: To protect all of London from becoming sacrifices to the Engineer, Mandus re-merges with his creation, killing them both.]]
* [[spoiler:VillainProtagonist: Mandus killed his own children, created a MadGod from his soul who murdered thousands, and performed horrifying experiments on humans and animals.]]
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* [[spoiler:Redemption Equals Death: To protect all of London from becoming sacrifices to the Engineer, Mandus re-merges with his creation, killing them both.]]
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* PapaWolf:[[spoiler:Deconstructed.[[spoiler: Deconstructed. He kills his two sons to prevent them from dying horrible deaths in World War I.]]
*[[spoiler:Redemption [[spoiler: Redemption Equals Death: To protect all of London from becoming sacrifices to the Engineer, Mandus re-merges with his creation, killing them both.]]
*[[spoiler:VillainProtagonist: [[spoiler: VillainProtagonist: Mandus killed his own children, created a MadGod from his soul who murdered thousands, and performed horrifying experiments on humans and animals.]]
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* PapaWolf: [[spoiler: Deconstructed. He kills his two sons to prevent them from dying horrible deaths in World War I.]]
* [[spoiler: Redemption Equals Death: To protect all of London from becoming sacrifices to the Engineer, Mandus re-merges with his creation, killing them both.]]
* [[spoiler: VillainProtagonist: Mandus killed his own children, created a MadGod from his soul who murdered thousands, and performed horrifying experiments on humans and animals.]]
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* [[spoiler: Redemption Equals Death: To protect all of London from becoming sacrifices to the Engineer, Mandus re-merges with his creation, killing them both.]]
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* PapaWolf:[[spoiler: Deconstructed.[[spoiler:Deconstructed. He kills his two sons to prevent them from dying horrible deaths in World War I.]]
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* AmnesiacHero: In keeping with the series' MeaningfulName. The main character, Oswald Mandus, cannot remember the last few months of his life, and is driven to rediscover what happened to him, what went on during his trip to Mexico, and how he is connected to the IndustrializedEvil around him.
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* GadgeteerGenius: Implied as part of his success as an industrialist. Even the recording and playback devices, though not an original concept, are his own design.
* [spoiler: GoMadFromTheRevelation: Mandus seeing the future drove him nuts enough to murder thousands to try and stop it, including his own children.]]
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* MeaningfulName: Oswald Mandus is a play on Ozymandias, referencing his obsession with making his factory the "great work of the industrial age".
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone
* [[spoiler:OffingTheOffspring]]OffingTheOffspring: After seeing his children would die horrifically in World War I, Mandus cut out their hearts as a ritual sacrifice in hopes of creating a god who could save the world from the slaughters of the 20th century.]]
* GadgeteerGenius: Implied as part of his success as an industrialist. Even the recording and playback devices, though not an original concept, are his own design.
* [spoiler: GoMadFromTheRevelation: Mandus seeing the future drove him nuts enough to murder thousands to try and stop it, including his own children.]]
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* MeaningfulName: Oswald Mandus is a play on Ozymandias, referencing his obsession with making his factory the "great work of the industrial age".
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