History BrokenAesop / AnimeAndManga

14th Nov '17 6:57:23 AM yukariever17
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* ''Anime/OjamajoDoremi'': An episode of the Naisho {{O|riginalVideoAnimation}}VA ends with Seki-sensei chewing out the anchor leg of her room's opponents in a swimming relay for not trying as hard as Aiko. [[spoiler:One, the opponents ''won'' that race, and two, after all her hard practicing, Aiko didn't even compete.]]

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An episode of the Naisho {{O|riginalVideoAnimation}}VA ends with Seki-sensei chewing out the anchor leg of her room's opponents in a swimming relay for not trying as hard as Aiko. [[spoiler:One, the opponents ''won'' that race, and two, after all her hard practicing, Aiko didn't even compete.]]
** The message about giving up magic, [[spoiler:given by the witch apprentices in the penultimate episode of the main series,]] ended up both contradicting the importance of magic shown in earlier seasons (especially when people's lives are at stake), and tolerating irresponsibility for [[spoiler:leaving Hana and leaving most (if not all) future burdens involving the Witch World on her.
]] Similar logic can also be applied to giving up technology as well. Still, to people not thinking hard and just grasping the "achieve things with your own effort" moral, it works, but no aesop is broken if one doesn't connect the dots.
9th Nov '17 10:05:19 AM MBG
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** Overlapping with AesopAmnesia, the intended moral of the Synchro arc was that people have to make their own style. Yuya finds that his entertainment style isn't appealing to people, and Jack calls out Yuya's style of entertaining and duelling as being forced, shallow, and not his own, because [[GenerationXerox it's copied from his father's]] and [[SuperpoweredEvilSide powered by Zarc]]. This does lead to a payoff of Yuya finally developing his own style, along with a set of cards that come from neither, in the final episode of the arc... but then Yuya completely forgets this new style and the cards he created, and goes back to copying his father and borrowing from Zarc for the rest of the series. Where this goes from AesopAmnesia to BrokenAesop is that despite this, Yuya's never shown having any problems entertaining people again, despite his style being as forced, shallow, and not his own as ever.

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** Overlapping with AesopAmnesia, the intended moral of the Synchro arc was that people have to make their own style. Yuya finds that his entertainment style isn't appealing to people, and Jack calls out Yuya's style of entertaining and duelling as being forced, shallow, and not his own, because [[GenerationXerox it's copied from his father's]] and [[SuperpoweredEvilSide powered by Zarc]]. This does lead to a payoff of Yuya finally developing his own style, along with a set of cards that come from neither, in the final episode of the arc... but then Yuya completely forgets this new style and the cards he created, and goes back to copying his father and borrowing from Zarc for the rest of the series. Where this goes from AesopAmnesia to BrokenAesop is that despite this, Yuya's never shown having any problems entertaining people again, despite his style being as forced, shallow, and not his own as ever. Turns out never doing your own thing is perfectly fine.
9th Nov '17 10:04:26 AM MBG
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** Overlapping with AesopAmnesia, the intended moral of the Synchro arc was that people have to make their own style. Yuya finds that his entertainment style isn't appealing to people, and Jack calls out Yuya's style of entertaining and duelling as being forced, shallow, and not his own, because [[GenerationXerox it's copied from his father's]] and [[SuperpoweredEvilSide powered by Zarc]]. This does lead to a payoff of Yuya finally developing his own style, along with a set of cards that come from neither, in the final episode of the arc... but then Yuya completely forgets this new style and the cards he created, and goes back to copying his father and borrowing from Zarc for the rest of the series. Where this goes from AesopAmnesia to BrokenAesop is that despite this, Yuya's never shown having any problems entertaining people again, despite his style being as forced, shallow, and not his own as ever.
27th Oct '17 12:30:00 PM MBG
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** One episode has Judai Duel a guy who's essentially used CharlesAtlasSuperpower to master TheMagicPokerEquation, letting him easily predict his opponent's

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** One episode has Judai Duel a guy who's essentially used CharlesAtlasSuperpower to master TheMagicPokerEquation, letting him easily predict and who relies entirely on his opponent's ability to draw any card he wants. The moral, along with the usual "have fun and don't take it too seriously", is "you can't just use luck to carry you; you have to use strategy as well." This is coming from Judai, a character whose ability to always get the right card is an explicit part of his character, to the point of one opponent literally building their strategy around countering it (and failing).
27th Oct '17 12:18:35 PM MBG
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* ''Anime/YuGiOhArcV'' suffers heavily from having ''two'' major morals and attempting to switch between them from episode-to-episode - specifically, "making people smile and entertaining others are the best things ever", and "WarIsHell and HumansAreBastards." So a number of characters have personal trauma, deep prejudices, or depraved attitudes... but [[AngstWhatAngst it's nothing that five minutes of making them smile can't cure.]] Being an entertainer is awesome and will lead you to greatness... but Yuya's biggest successes are found by relying on his SuperpoweredEvilSide, and the most prominent entertainer in the cast besides him is a MemeticLoser. People die in war and it's horrible... but that would be a downer, so it's clear from the start that everyone to "die" by being carded can come back. An entertainer has to make their own style and find themselves... but Yuya gets everything by copying others, and goes through AesopAmnesia multiple times. Class divisions are dangerous, deep-seated, and hard to remove... but if everyone is smiling because they watched a cool duel, they break down overnight. So entertainment can do anything... except that the main villain's defeat has nothing to do with making him smile; he was [[HeroicSacrifice buried in bodies]] and sealed through magic.

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* ''Anime/YuGiOhArcV'' suffers heavily from having ''two'' major morals and attempting to switch between them from episode-to-episode - specifically, "making people smile and entertaining others are the best things ever", and "WarIsHell and HumansAreBastards." So a number of characters have personal trauma, deep prejudices, or depraved attitudes... but [[AngstWhatAngst it's nothing that five minutes of making them smile can't cure.]] Being an entertainer is awesome and will lead you to greatness... but Yuya's biggest successes are found by relying on his SuperpoweredEvilSide, and the most prominent entertainer in the cast besides him is a MemeticLoser. People die in war and it's horrible... but that would be a downer, so it's clear from the start that everyone to "die" by being carded can come back. An entertainer has to make their own style Making people smile is a good deed... but the villain's entire motivation is steeped in the fact that he did what the audience wanted and find themselves... but Yuya gets everything by copying others, and goes through AesopAmnesia multiple times.was corrupted. Class divisions are dangerous, deep-seated, and hard to remove... but if everyone is smiling because they watched a cool duel, they break down overnight. So entertainment can do anything... except that the main villain's defeat has nothing to do with making him smile; he was [[HeroicSacrifice buried in bodies]] and sealed through magic.
27th Oct '17 12:17:27 PM MBG
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* ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'', several times, gives the moral that "no card is worthless, just as no person is worthless." However, this is undercut by the fact that protagonist Yusei Fudo uses one of the most powerful decks in the series, full of Synchros ranging from rare to one-of-a-kind. What's more, every time he uses "worthless" cards to make this point, he quickly reverts to his usual Deck. The one time somebody tried to apply this against him, using a Deck of weak Normal Monsters and an ace that had never been played successfully, he defeated them soundly using a Level 10 dragon from the future.

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** One episode has Judai Duel a guy who's essentially used CharlesAtlasSuperpower to master TheMagicPokerEquation, letting him easily predict his opponent's
* ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds'', several times, gives the moral that "no card is worthless, just as no person is worthless." However, this is undercut by the fact that protagonist Yusei Fudo uses one of the most powerful decks in the series, full of Synchros ranging from rare to one-of-a-kind. What's more, every time he uses "worthless" cards to make this point, he quickly reverts to his usual Deck. The one time somebody tried to apply this against him, using a Deck of weak Normal Monsters and an ace that had never been played successfully, he defeated them soundly using a Level 10 dragon from the future. And in any case, ''TabletopGame/YuGiOh'' is kind of a terrible game to make this moral with, being laden with cards that are either [[JokeCharacter completely useless]] or [[PowerCreep strictly outclassed;]] every time Yusei tried to prove the moral, the card he used was a LethalJokeCharacter at worst.


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** The moral of Aki's first Duel with Yusei was that she had to learn to think for herself and couldn't just let one person think for her. But when she makes a HeelFaceTurn, her entire role in the series is to be Yusei's SatelliteLoveInterest, her only significant accomplishments are largely thanks to Yusei's help, and her only arc is dedicated to trying to copy something Yusei does.
* ''Anime/YuGiOhZEXAL'' goes for a CheatersNeverProsper moral a number of times, a common one in the franchise - but Yuma only succeeds as he does because he has Astral giving him tips, and [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveSupernaturalPowers the ability]] to alter the result of his draws.
* ''Anime/YuGiOhArcV'' suffers heavily from having ''two'' major morals and attempting to switch between them from episode-to-episode - specifically, "making people smile and entertaining others are the best things ever", and "WarIsHell and HumansAreBastards." So a number of characters have personal trauma, deep prejudices, or depraved attitudes... but [[AngstWhatAngst it's nothing that five minutes of making them smile can't cure.]] Being an entertainer is awesome and will lead you to greatness... but Yuya's biggest successes are found by relying on his SuperpoweredEvilSide, and the most prominent entertainer in the cast besides him is a MemeticLoser. People die in war and it's horrible... but that would be a downer, so it's clear from the start that everyone to "die" by being carded can come back. An entertainer has to make their own style and find themselves... but Yuya gets everything by copying others, and goes through AesopAmnesia multiple times. Class divisions are dangerous, deep-seated, and hard to remove... but if everyone is smiling because they watched a cool duel, they break down overnight. So entertainment can do anything... except that the main villain's defeat has nothing to do with making him smile; he was [[HeroicSacrifice buried in bodies]] and sealed through magic.
3rd Oct '17 12:15:58 PM MBG159
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* The Korin's Tower arc of ''Manga/DragonBall'' concludes by revealing that there's no such thing as a magic potion that makes you stronger; Goku's ordeals to get the Divine Water is what makes him strong. Ergo, the moral is "there isn't a way to just magically be great, you have to work for it." Then a few arcs later, Korin [[AssPull reveals that he was holding out]] and there's actually an ''Ultra'' Divine Water where, if you drink it and survive, you get a lot stronger. At this point, the only thing keeping the moral intact is that the Ultra Divine Water was claimed to be poisonous if you weren't strong enough to survive it. Then, over the course of ''Z'', pretty much every arc would reveal at least one new way for characters to get stronger without having to do any real work for it, including zenkai boosts, the Super Saiyan forms, the various "unlock potential" abilities, fusions, and absorption, which shattered the moral into a million pieces.
3rd Oct '17 7:25:46 AM MBG
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** Team Unicorn is constantly praised for their amazing teamwork, yet Andre did the majority of the work in their match against Team 5D's by defeating Jack and Aki, as well as cutting Yusei's life points in half. It gets even worse when it's revealed that in all previous team matches before this one, Andre was able to beat all three members of ''every'' opposing team by himself without shifting to Breo or Jean.

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** Team Unicorn is constantly praised for their amazing teamwork, yet Andre did the majority of the work in their match against Team 5D's by defeating Jack and Aki, as well as cutting Yusei's life points in half. It gets even worse when it's revealed that in all previous team matches before this one, Andre was able to beat all three members of ''every'' opposing team by himself without shifting to Breo or Jean. Worse, their apparent duelling performance does not back this up; Breo's entire strategy doesn't even ''slightly'' intersect with his teammate's. It's contrasted even further by the fact that, while the moral is supposed to be "Team 5Ds was at a disadvantage because they didn't have teamwork", the fact is, they still won that duel, despite relying entirely on Yusei.
24th Sep '17 12:51:23 PM SSJMagus
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** Kabuto believes that ninja without natural talent are worthless unless they learn and copy talents from others. Thus, he [[BioAugmentation injected blood from Orochimaru and several subordinates]] as part of his goal to be recognized. Much of his battle with [[spoiler:[[OurZombiesAreDifferent Edo Tensei'd]] Itachi]] and Sasuke consists of the former trying to convince him that he should take pride in his own identity instead of trying to add others' to his own. However, copying other characters' abilities occurs everywhere in this series without such criticism. "Copy Ninja" Kakashi is ''famous'' for his ability to copy his opponents' jutsus, the goal of the BigBad is to become identical in power to the [[PhysicalGod Sage of the Six Paths]], {{Generation Xerox}}es, [[MagicalEye Sharingans and Rinnegans]] passed around right and left... the worst thing about Kabuto doing this is simply the method of blood injections. Even putting all those examples aside, we would be left with the message "[[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop If you're not born into a bloodline granting you power naturally, just accept your place as second class]]". Again, it doesn't help that someone like [[spoiler:Itachi]], whose bloodline gives him an ocular-based SuperpowerLottery and who receives [[CharacterShilling constant praise from everyone around him]] is telling Kabuto to just be satisfied with his unmemorable self.

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** Kabuto believes that ninja without natural talent are worthless unless they learn and copy talents from others. Thus, he [[BioAugmentation injected blood from Orochimaru and several subordinates]] as part of his goal to be recognized. Much of his battle with [[spoiler:[[OurZombiesAreDifferent Edo Tensei'd]] Itachi]] and Sasuke consists of the former trying to convince him that he should take pride in his own identity instead of trying to add others' to his own. However, copying other characters' abilities occurs everywhere in this series without such criticism. "Copy Ninja" Kakashi is ''famous'' for his ability to copy his opponents' jutsus, the goal of the BigBad is to become identical in power to the [[PhysicalGod Sage of the Six Paths]], {{Generation Xerox}}es, [[MagicalEye Sharingans and Rinnegans]] passed around right and left... the worst thing about Kabuto doing this is simply the method of blood injections. Even putting all those examples aside, we would be left with the message "[[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop If you're not born into a bloodline granting you power naturally, just accept your place as second class]]". Again, it doesn't help that someone like [[spoiler:Itachi]], whose bloodline gives him an ocular-based SuperpowerLottery and who receives [[CharacterShilling constant praise from everyone around him]] is telling Kabuto to just be satisfied with his unmemorable self. Not to mention that Kabuto's stated goal with the BioAugmentation had been to become a ''better version of Orochimauru'', not just a copy of him, and Kabuto had seemingly succeeded at doing so.



*** The moral of the Chuunin Exam's Naruto vs Neji fight was rather ironic: hard work will trump natural talent and a big heap of ScrewDestiny was thrown into the mix. What brought him victory? If you guessed Naruto utilizing TheGift, you're actually right! His own natural gift/curse was simply way stronger than his opponent's! Seeing how his opponent's belief was that, regardless of your efforts, you'd never beat someone who was simply more talented, Naruto inadvertently proved Neji right.The intended aversion of YouCantFightFate was also slapped in the face right from the start, considering how prevalent GenerationXerox, family bloodlines and prophecy are in this series. Sakura, Sasuke and Naruto match up with the legendary Sannin, the latter two are members of powerful clans that trace back to the creator of Ninjutsu and taken UpToEleven when it's revealed that Sasuke and Naruto are the literal reincarnations of the Sage's two sons.

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*** The moral of the Chuunin Exam's Naruto vs Neji fight was rather ironic: hard work will trump natural talent and a big heap of ScrewDestiny was thrown into the mix. What brought him victory? If you guessed Naruto utilizing TheGift, you're actually right! His own natural gift/curse was simply way stronger than his opponent's! Seeing how his opponent's belief was that, regardless of your efforts, you'd never beat someone who was simply more talented, Naruto inadvertently proved Neji right. The intended aversion of YouCantFightFate was also slapped in the face right from the start, considering how prevalent GenerationXerox, family bloodlines and prophecy are in this series. Sakura, Sasuke and Naruto match up with the legendary Sannin, the latter two are members of powerful clans that trace back to the creator of Ninjutsu and taken UpToEleven when it's revealed that Sasuke and Naruto are the literal reincarnations of the Sage's two sons. So Neji's error wasn't in believing that those with natural talent will always be superior to those without it, was that he wrong assumed Naruto was in the latter group instead of the former since Naruto's own powerful bloodline and [[SealedInsideAPersonShapedCan status as the host of a tailed beast]] are closely-guarded secrets.



*** The apex of how broken the aesop is when Sasuke gets his revenge on Danzo. Instead of his revenge causing problems propagating the cycle it instead [[BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork cleaned out all of Konoha's dirty laundry and fixed their political problems]]. The true moral? Revenge is okay if you're a Uchiha.

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*** The apex of how broken the aesop is when Sasuke gets his revenge on Danzo. Instead of his revenge causing problems propagating the cycle it instead [[BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork cleaned out all of Konoha's dirty laundry and fixed their political problems]]. The true moral? Revenge is okay if you're a Uchiha. Or perhaps it's that revenge is okay if you kill somebody that nobody [[actually likes enough to avenge AvengingTheVillain]].



** One of the running themes in Naruto is that no one is born evil, everyone is capable of redemption, and it's better to offer friendship to the villain than to kill them (even if you have to beat some sense into them beforehand). This is shown on such villains like: Zabuza, Haku, Gaara, Nagato, Konan, Kurama, Obito and Kabuto. But in the series also there are such villains as: Gato, Sound Five, Sasori, Deidara, Hidan, Kakuzu, Danzo and Kisame who even didn't given a single chance at redemption, being just killed. On top of that, we have such villains as Madara and Sasuke which do nothing with these chances at redemption than use them to become more evil and attempt to gain more power for themselves. And this, not to mention Orochimaru which unlike most villains in the series is completely irredeemable, however at the end of the manga, he decides to help the Shinobi Alliance for ''purely selfish reasons'', and after that, he´s treated as a friend by Naruto, as seen in [[Manga/NarutoGaiden the sequel]].

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** One of the running themes in Naruto is that no one is born evil, everyone is capable of redemption, and it's better to offer friendship to the villain than to kill them (even if you have to beat some sense into them beforehand). This is shown on such villains like: Zabuza, Haku, Gaara, Nagato, Konan, Kurama, Obito and Kabuto. But in the series also there are such villains as: Gato, the Sound Five, Sasori, Deidara, Hidan, Kakuzu, Danzo and Kisame who even didn't given a single chance at redemption, being just killed. On top of that, we have such villains as Madara and Sasuke which do nothing with these chances at redemption than use them to become more evil and attempt to gain more power for themselves. And this, not to mention Orochimaru which unlike most villains in the series is completely irredeemable, however at the end of the manga, he decides to help the Shinobi Alliance for ''purely selfish reasons'', and after that, he´s treated as a friend by Naruto, as seen in [[Manga/NarutoGaiden the sequel]].


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*** The explanation given was that Nartuo was never ''really'' in love with Sakura, and his crush on her was ultimately a shallow one. But how was that not the case with Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, which largely revolved around "he's hot!"
21st Sep '17 8:54:44 PM Angeldeb82
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** The series isn't [[{{Anvilicious}} particularly subtle]] about the importance of ThePowerOfFriendship, but one time that the message doesn't work is during the [[TournamentArc Grand Magic Games]]. Sabertooth, which took over the rank of the #1 guild in the absence of Fairy Tail's strongest members, is led by a SocialDarwinist who throws members out for losing. While the narrative wants to show that Fairy Tail is stronger because they value their comrades, it does so using a fight in which Natsu shoves his partner Gajeel out of the match over a petty argument and goes on to solo Sting and Rogue, a duo who are actually famous for their teamwork. The anime makes this worse when Natsu is under the delusion that Gajeel ran off and chastises ''him'' for not understanding teamwork.

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** The series isn't [[{{Anvilicious}} particularly subtle]] about the importance of ThePowerOfFriendship, but one time that the message doesn't work is during the [[TournamentArc Grand Magic Games]]. Sabertooth, which took over the rank of the #1 guild in the absence of Fairy Tail's strongest members, is led by a SocialDarwinist TheSocialDarwinist who throws members out for losing. While the narrative wants to show that Fairy Tail is stronger because they value their comrades, it does so using a fight in which Natsu shoves his partner Gajeel out of the match over a petty argument and goes on to solo Sting and Rogue, a duo who are actually famous for their teamwork. The anime makes this worse when Natsu is under the delusion that Gajeel ran off and chastises ''him'' for not understanding teamwork.
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