History BrokenAesop / AnimeAndManga

20th Jul '16 5:38:24 PM Prometheus117
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* ''Manga/FairyTail'' is ''big'' on highlighting ThePowerOfFriendship. So much so that many a third of the battles couldn't have been won without it. Lucy gets half her powerups because spirits like how friendly she is with them. Sticking it out for your friends is always the right thing to do... unless you're Jellal, in which case doing so gets you tortured and [[spoiler:brainwashed]], hated by everyone, and robbed on any semblance of life or freedom.

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* ''Manga/FairyTail'' is ''big'' on highlighting ThePowerOfFriendship. So much so that many a third of the battles couldn't have been won without it. Lucy gets half her powerups because spirits like how friendly she is with them. Sticking it out for your friends is always the right thing to do... unless you're Jellal, in which case doing so gets you tortured and [[spoiler:brainwashed]], hated by everyone, and robbed on any semblance of life or freedom. Granted, it gets better for him down the line, but it's a ''long'' path...
19th Jul '16 3:06:50 PM DoctorSleep
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** The story treats as if revenge is a bad thing, but for some reason it's only when Naruto or Sasuke are involved. Kakashi who gave Sasuke lecture about not seeking revenge on Itachi for his clanmates was perfectly content with letting Team 10 seek revenge on Hidan after [[spoiler: he killed Asuma]] and even convinced Tsunade to let them go. Shikamaru was clearly satisfied on taking care of Hidan, and there were no negative consequences, with the story and the character treating Shikamaru subjecting Hidan to FateWorseThanDeath as a good thing.

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%% ** The story treats as if revenge is a bad thing, but for some reason it's only when Naruto or Sasuke are involved. Kakashi who gave Sasuke lecture about not seeking revenge on Itachi for his clanmates was perfectly content with letting Team 10 seek revenge on Hidan after [[spoiler: he killed Asuma]] and even convinced Tsunade to let them go. Shikamaru was clearly satisfied on taking care of Hidan, and there were no negative consequences, with the story and the character treating Shikamaru subjecting Hidan to FateWorseThanDeath as a good thing.
13th Jul '16 2:17:01 PM Quanyails
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** It has been stated that trained Pokémon are stronger than wild ones, so Pokémon Trainers must train them and can't expect to win battles using untrained ones. This sends the message that you must work hard in order to attain your goals and can't be lazy and expect to get things done the easy way. Yet every time Ash used Pokémon that he had never trained or even used once (ie: Tauros and Krabby) during Pokémon League [[note]]whose participants in are supposed to be some of the strongest trainers in the region[[/note]] matches during the original series, they kicked far more ass than most of those he had used through most of his journey (ie: the Kanto starters) and thus should be more experienced. Even worse, his Krabby evolved into Kingler ''in the very first Pokémon Battle it participated in'' when most of the Pokémon Ash had with him for most of his journey and had participated in dozen of battles were still unevolved (To say nothing about the strength of said Krabby as when Ash caught it it was so weak it was locked into it's pokeball without even weakening it, something even Caterpie could fight off). The same thing had happened earlier with Ash's Primeape: it won a Pokémon fighting tournament despite being a freshly caught Pokémon that had never been trained or used in a battle before. In the same tournament participated a guy called Anthony who used a Hitmonchan he had been obsessively training to to the point of neglecting his family, yet he didn't even get to the finals. In fact, Anthony was so impressed by Ash's Primeape that he offered to take it under his mantle, apparently thinking that it was worth more than his highly trained Hitmonchan.

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** It has been stated that trained Pokémon are stronger than wild ones, so Pokémon Trainers must train them and can't expect to win battles using untrained ones. This sends the message that you must work hard in order to attain your goals and can't be lazy and expect to get things done the easy way. Yet every time Ash used Pokémon that he had never trained or even used once (ie: Tauros and Krabby) during Pokémon League [[note]]whose participants in are supposed to be some of the strongest trainers in the region[[/note]] matches during the original series, they kicked far more ass than most of those he had used through most of his journey (ie: the Kanto starters) and thus should be more experienced. Even worse, his Krabby evolved into Kingler ''in the very first Pokémon Battle it participated in'' when most of the Pokémon Ash had with him for most of his journey and had participated in dozen of battles were still unevolved (To say nothing about the strength of said Krabby as when Ash caught it it was so weak it was locked into it's its pokeball without even weakening it, something even Caterpie could fight off). The same thing had happened earlier with Ash's Primeape: it won a Pokémon fighting tournament despite being a freshly caught Pokémon that had never been trained or used in a battle before. In the same tournament participated a guy called Anthony who used a Hitmonchan he had been obsessively training to to the point of neglecting his family, yet he didn't even get to the finals. In fact, Anthony was so impressed by Ash's Primeape that he offered to take it under his mantle, apparently thinking that it was worth more than his highly trained Hitmonchan.
13th Jul '16 2:06:53 PM Quanyails
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* Anime/MagicalShoppingArcadeAbenobashi, at first, appears to simply be a zany [[TheresNoPlaceLikeHome trying-to-get-home]] plot as they travel from one bizarre world to the next. As it turns out, the reason they couldn't get back was [[spoiler: that Sashi was the one in control without even realizing it. Not only that, it's revealed to him that they're stuck there [[DarkerAndEdgier because he's suffering Post Traumatic Stress Disorder due to the fact that Arumi's grandfather died from the fall off his restaurant.]] Feeling guilty, he tries to distract her and prevent them from returning so she doesn't learn the truth. This fails and, in the end, they start to head home. This, however, is undermined by him unlocking a hidden power, [[ResetButton re-writing reality to prevent grandpa from dying.]]]] The moral of the story is "while tragedy really hurts, you can't hide in your own little world forever and have to face reality eventually." Or that's what it would be if not for how it ends. Instead, it comes off as "if you wish hard enough, you'll never lose anyone or anything close to you." [[{{Anime/Pokemon3}} Another work handled the "dealing with loss" message better.]]

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* Anime/MagicalShoppingArcadeAbenobashi, ''Anime/MagicalShoppingArcadeAbenobashi'', at first, appears to simply be a zany [[TheresNoPlaceLikeHome trying-to-get-home]] plot as they travel from one bizarre world to the next. As it turns out, the reason they couldn't get back was [[spoiler: that Sashi was the one in control without even realizing it. Not only that, it's revealed to him that they're stuck there [[DarkerAndEdgier because he's suffering Post Traumatic Stress Disorder due to the fact that Arumi's grandfather died from the fall off his restaurant.]] Feeling guilty, he tries to distract her and prevent them from returning so she doesn't learn the truth. This fails and, in the end, they start to head home. This, however, is undermined by him unlocking a hidden power, [[ResetButton re-writing reality to prevent grandpa from dying.]]]] The moral of the story is "while tragedy really hurts, you can't hide in your own little world forever and have to face reality eventually." Or that's what it would be if not for how it ends. Instead, it comes off as "if you wish hard enough, you'll never lose anyone or anything close to you." [[{{Anime/Pokemon3}} Another work handled the "dealing with loss" message better.]]
30th Jun '16 10:25:01 PM Kikai
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***Speaking of forsaking your fellows: In both the Sasuke Retrieval Arc and the Jiraiya Shinobi Handbook Arc, the squad members [[TheRestShallPass peel off one by one]] to fight vastly more experienced enemies so the rest of the group can go on. In the Jiraiya Shinobi Handbook Arc, Tenten actually calls Shikamaru out for ordering Lee to stay behind as a distraction. In spite of the strategy nearly killing everyone in both arcs, everyone considers Shikamaru a smart leader and a good friend.
7th Jun '16 1:23:07 PM GrantMK2
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** In episode 65, Gary makes fun of Ash for catching so few Pokemon. Ash says that he doesn't care about the numbers, just that all of his Pokemon are his friends. This is coming from the person who has THIRTY Tauros. Is he friends with all thirty of them? Can he tell the difference between them? He hadn't even used any Tauros in battle at this point.

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** In episode 65, Gary makes fun of Ash for catching so few Pokemon. Ash says that he doesn't care about the numbers, just that all of his Pokemon are his friends. This is coming from the person who has THIRTY Tauros. Is he friends with all thirty of them? Can he tell the difference between them? He hadn't even used any Tauros in battle at this point. Even worse, it's made clear that Gary has been switching his Pokemon out regularly to use all of them. In other words, Gary's been making ties with ''all'' of his Pokemon.
3rd Jun '16 8:26:55 AM Willbyr
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* ''InazumaEleven'' often seems to have some conflicting moral lessons depending on the situation, although this can be put down to the fact that different characters have different opinions, and no one character is perfect on their own, which in turn could be seen as a aesop of it's own.

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* ''InazumaEleven'' ''VideoGame/InazumaEleven'' often seems to have some conflicting moral lessons depending on the situation, although this can be put down to the fact that different characters have different opinions, and no one character is perfect on their own, which in turn could be seen as a aesop of it's own.
3rd Jun '16 8:13:47 AM bassforte123
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*** And Tauros aside, just in general Ash very rarely rotates his pokemon, leaving them to stay with Oak for who knows how long until he needs them for a particular battle. Krabby was one of his first pokemon but he didn't even look at the thing until he got all the way to the Indigo Plateau and Muk he clearly just finds repulsive and only brings in when he needs a heavy hitter. And if you want to go even farther, the vast majority of his pokemon are just gone once he changes gens.
25th May '16 3:08:54 AM AlienPatch
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** The cause the heroes fight--to provethat humanity is worth its existence--is undermined frequently by their own concessions about the innate bad streak in humanity without acknowledging the good, ''and'' [[spoiler:their hinted acceptance at the end that humanity is unlikely to change for the better or embrace the GreenAesop the shamans supposedly live by]]. The story ''further'' undermines this by rendering the only non-shaman protagonist utterly useless and giving the roles he could actually play in the story to other, more not-Muggle characters, even in situations where him taking action would be common sense. In addition, all other non-Shamans are depicted at best as too powerless to even help themselves and at worst as greedy, self-centered, corrupt, or downright evil people. And yet the message is still supposed to be seen as in ''favor'' of humanity!

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** The cause the heroes fight--to provethat prove that humanity is worth its existence--is undermined frequently by their own concessions about the innate bad streak in humanity without acknowledging the good, ''and'' [[spoiler:their hinted acceptance at the end that humanity is unlikely to change for the better or embrace the GreenAesop the shamans supposedly live by]]. The story ''further'' undermines this by rendering the only non-shaman protagonist utterly useless and giving the roles he could actually play in the story to other, more not-Muggle characters, even in situations where him taking action would be common sense. In addition, all other non-Shamans are depicted at best as too powerless to even help themselves and at worst as greedy, self-centered, corrupt, or downright evil people. And yet the message is still supposed to be seen as in ''favor'' of humanity!
25th May '16 2:55:05 AM AlienPatch
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** The cause the heroes fight to prove--that humanity is worth its existence--is undermined frequently by their own concessions about the innate bad streak in humanity without acknowledging the good, ''and'' [[spoiler:their hinted acceptance at the end that humanity is unlikely to change for the better or embrace the GreenAesop the shamans supposedly live by]]. The story ''further'' undermines this by rendering the only non-shaman protagonist utterly useless and giving the roles he could actually play in the story to other, more not-Muggle characters, even in situations where him taking action would be common sense. In addition, all other non-Shamans are depicted at best as too powerless to even help themselves and at worst as greedy, self-centered, corrupt, or downright evil people. And yet the message is still supposed to be seen as in ''favor'' of humanity!

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** The cause the heroes fight to prove--that fight--to provethat humanity is worth its existence--is undermined frequently by their own concessions about the innate bad streak in humanity without acknowledging the good, ''and'' [[spoiler:their hinted acceptance at the end that humanity is unlikely to change for the better or embrace the GreenAesop the shamans supposedly live by]]. The story ''further'' undermines this by rendering the only non-shaman protagonist utterly useless and giving the roles he could actually play in the story to other, more not-Muggle characters, even in situations where him taking action would be common sense. In addition, all other non-Shamans are depicted at best as too powerless to even help themselves and at worst as greedy, self-centered, corrupt, or downright evil people. And yet the message is still supposed to be seen as in ''favor'' of humanity!
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