History BrokenAesop / AnimeAndManga

12th Jan '17 8:06:12 PM wootzits
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* The movie tie-in to ''Anime/HappinessChargePrettyCure'', ''Ballerina of the Doll Kingdom'', has the heroes being trapped in a world created from the wish of Tsumugi, a young dancer who can no longer use her legs. As they struggle to free her from the villain, they have to come to grips with some uncomfortable (but mature) lessons, such as Lovely realizing that ''not'' all problems can be fixed with hard work or wishes, and that sometimes you're unable to fulfill your dreams - and that's okay; you're fine as you are so long as you remain a good person at heart. But then it turns out that Tsumugi's paralysis was actually caused by the villain's magic, and the Precure defeating him hits the ResetButton. Yes, it's nice that she can dance again, but way to invalidate your message (and drop the ball on what was mostly a realistic, respectful message about disabilities and depression).
* ''VideoGame/InazumaEleven'' often seems to have some conflicting moral lessons depending on the situation, although this can be put down to the fact that different characters have different opinions, and no one character is perfect on their own, which in turn could be seen as a aesop of it's own.
** In the first season they seem to have the lesson "don't play as a solo, even if you feel you can score right now, pass to someone else to give them a change". In season 3 however, one of the character's entire arcs revolve around the lesson "it's fine to show off and score all the goals. True team-mates will be happy for you, not angry".
** The fact that a lot of the show resolves around how soccer is a pure sport and should be played without any methods that aren't natural in soccer (the super-dimensional aspect of it obviously being natural in-universe) can come off as broken when the "mixi-max" ability is introduced. Unlike all the other super-dimensional aspects which involve naturally evolving the ability to use the moves, this one isn't natural and involves having to take and transfer someone's aura with electronic guns. Although the ability can be done naturally too which is seen twice, and you do have to train to match the transfer subject's aura, most of the mixi-maxing is done by force with equipment. Which kinda squishes the moral that you're not supposed to use unnatural enhancements in sport.
** Although this isn't really a broken aesop, it's one that can come off as confusing, especially to young viewers which the show is aimed at: A lot of the lessons of the show is based around the fact that winning isn't everything. Which can come off as odd when the characters constantly mention and empathize how they ''must'' win certain matches and if they don't then everything they've built up become shattered. This is more confusing then broken, since the specific moral is supposed to be that you should fight to win and tell you have to win, but if you ''do'' lose then that's still okay.
** The fact that violence shouldn't be allowed in soccer is kinda broken by the fact the soccer the character's play is naturally violent. Such as, apparently charging into someone and shoving them is a bad thing to do, but it's completely fine if you electrocute and opponent so much they fall to their knees in pain.



* ''VideoGame/InazumaEleven'' often seems to have some conflicting moral lessons depending on the situation, although this can be put down to the fact that different characters have different opinions, and no one character is perfect on their own, which in turn could be seen as a aesop of it's own.
** In the first season they seem to have the lesson "don't play as a solo, even if you feel you can score right now, pass to someone else to give them a change". In season 3 however, one of the character's entire arcs revolve around the lesson "it's fine to show off and score all the goals. True team-mates will be happy for you, not angry".
** The fact that a lot of the show resolves around how soccer is a pure sport and should be played without any methods that aren't natural in soccer (the super-dimensional aspect of it obviously being natural in-universe) can come off as broken when the "mixi-max" ability is introduced. Unlike all the other super-dimensional aspects which involve naturally evolving the ability to use the moves, this one isn't natural and involves having to take and transfer someone's aura with electronic guns. Although the ability can be done naturally too which is seen twice, and you do have to train to match the transfer subject's aura, most of the mixi-maxing is done by force with equipment. Which kinda squishes the moral that you're not supposed to use unnatural enhancements in sport.
** Although this isn't really a broken aesop, it's one that can come off as confusing, especially to young viewers which the show is aimed at: A lot of the lessons of the show is based around the fact that winning isn't everything. Which can come off as odd when the characters constantly mention and empathize how they ''must'' win certain matches and if they don't then everything they've built up become shattered. This is more confusing then broken, since the specific moral is supposed to be that you should fight to win and tell you have to win, but if you ''do'' lose then that's still okay.
** The fact that violence shouldn't be allowed in soccer is kinda broken by the fact the soccer the character's play is naturally violent. Such as, apparently charging into someone and shoving them is a bad thing to do, but it's completely fine if you electrocute and opponent so much they fall to their knees in pain.
* The movie tie-in to ''Anime/HappinessChargePrettyCure'', ''Ballerina of the Doll Kingdom'', has the heroes being trapped in a world created from the wish of Tsumugi, a young dancer who can no longer use her legs. As they struggle to free her from the villain, they have to come to grips with some uncomfortable (but mature) lessons, such as Lovely realizing that ''not'' all problems can be fixed with hard work or wishes, and that sometimes you're unable to fulfill your dreams - and that's okay; you're fine as you are so long as you remain a good person at heart. But then it turns out that Tsumugi's paralysis was actually caused by the villain's magic, and the Precure defeating him hits the ResetButton. Yes, it's nice that she can dance again, but way to invalidate your message (and drop the ball on what was mostly a realistic, respectful message about disabilities and depression).
30th Oct '16 7:22:07 AM flodoris
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*** Obito is portrayed as yet another potential outcome of Naruto had something gone wrong, and Obito believes that ''anyone'' would give up on the world like he did after a significant amount of despair. As stated above, the Uchiha are given FreudianExcuse after Freudian excuse to essentially say that they are naturally inclined toward evil. Therefore, Naruto doesn't work quite so well as Obito's counterpart when he is not genetically driven to insanity over emotional trauma; another Uchiha would have worked better.

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*** Obito Sasuke is portrayed as yet another potential outcome of Naruto had something gone wrong, and Obito Naruto himself believes that ''anyone'' if everything was different he would give up on be the world like he did after a significant amount of despair.same as Sasuke. As stated above, the Uchiha are given FreudianExcuse after Freudian excuse to essentially say that they are naturally inclined toward evil. Therefore, Naruto doesn't work quite so well as Obito's Sasuke's counterpart when he is not genetically driven to insanity over emotional trauma; another Uchiha would have worked better.
12th Oct '16 2:12:53 PM Tropetastic1995
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** There's the theme of the new generations surpassing the previous ones - this is, in theory, why [[TheHero Naruto]] and [[TheRival Sasuke]] manage to [[ObsoleteMentor become stronger than]] [[CoolTeacher Kakashi]], [[OldMaster Jiraiya]], [[MadScientist Orochimaru]], and the like. However, that idea is utterly negated by the revelation that [[spoiler:[[VillainSue Madara Uchiha]]]] is capable of effortlessly defeating anybody and everybody. Hashirama was even stronger than that, and it seems as though only characters who were members of the older generation are allowed to accomplish anything meaningful during the Fourth Great Shinobi War - [[spoiler: Itachi is the only one who can negate Edo Tensei, Tobi's plan would have failed a long time ago without Madara, in fact it actually was Madara's plan in the first place. Somehow it actually got worse, it's later revealed that even Madara wasn't the real BigBad. It turns out that not only was Madara manipulated by a Black Zetsu into summoning his mother, he also was casually discarded despite being virtually untouchable by the heroes.]] Naruto and Sasuke themselves join this BrokenAesop, as their ultimate powers isn't something new that they innovated or made for themselves, but old powers that the Sage gave them or that their past lives used. OlderIsBetter is in full effect in the world of ''Naruto''.

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** There's the theme of the new generations surpassing the previous ones - this is, in theory, why [[TheHero Naruto]] and [[TheRival Sasuke]] manage to [[ObsoleteMentor become stronger than]] [[CoolTeacher Kakashi]], [[OldMaster Jiraiya]], [[MadScientist Orochimaru]], and the like. However, that idea is utterly negated by the revelation that [[spoiler:[[VillainSue Madara Uchiha]]]] is capable of effortlessly defeating anybody and everybody. Hashirama was was, in their first life, even a little stronger than that, and it seems as though only characters who were members of the older generation are allowed to accomplish anything meaningful during the Fourth Great Shinobi War - [[spoiler: Itachi is the only one who can negate Edo Tensei, Tobi's plan would have failed a long time ago without Madara, in fact it actually was Madara's plan in the first place. Somehow it actually got worse, it's later revealed that even Madara wasn't the real BigBad. It turns out that not only was Madara manipulated by a Black Zetsu into summoning his mother, he also was casually discarded despite being virtually untouchable by the heroes.]] Naruto and Sasuke themselves join this BrokenAesop, as their ultimate powers isn't something new that they innovated or made for themselves, but old powers that the Sage gave them or that their past lives used. OlderIsBetter is in full effect in the world of ''Naruto''.



** In addition to this, the story makes it clear that because nobody is born evil, anyone who is evil has a FreudianExcuse that makes them the way they are. The story generally didn't enforce this part of it much, as some of them, like Hidan, Kakuzu, and Orochimaru, really get no excuse at all for anything they do. Once again giving special mention to the entire Uchiha clan, the story seemed to desperately want to redeem them from the very beginning, but just threw out a bunch of explanations for their behavior, seemingly at random. The ''two'' official canon explanations the story seemed to settle on about 6/7ths and 13/14ths of the way through the story respectively were that they were "cursed to love too much", meaning they would take extreme action and potentially turn evil if anyone they cared for died, and the second was that they were manipulated by an evil goddess and her underling the entire time. The former completely breaks the aesop, because the "loving too much" is a ''genetic trait''; meaning they are the way they are ''because they were born that way''. And that's ignoring the fact "loving too much" is clearly just an exaggerated positive spin on a negative trait. Uchiha tend to behave just like Sasuke does, brooding, serious, and mission oriented. The only Uchiha we really see that act differently are Sasuke's mother (who acts like a normal mother) and Obito (who's pretty much just Naruto with a bit of a Hinata complex). An Uchiha "loving too much" really never actually appears, so the trait they really have is "more likely to become obsessed with and insane over loss" which is... an evil trait they're born with.

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** In addition to this, the story makes it clear that because nobody is born evil, anyone who is evil has a FreudianExcuse that makes them the way they are. The story generally didn't enforce this part of it much, as some of them, like Hidan, Kakuzu, Hidan and Orochimaru, really get no excuse at all for anything they do. Once again giving special mention to the entire Uchiha clan, the story seemed to desperately want to redeem them from the very beginning, but just threw out a bunch of explanations for their behavior, seemingly at random. The ''two'' official canon explanations the story seemed to settle on about 6/7ths and 13/14ths of the way through the story respectively were that they were "cursed to love too much", meaning they would take extreme action and potentially turn evil if anyone they cared for died, and the second was that they were manipulated by an evil goddess and her underling the entire time. The former completely breaks the aesop, because the "loving too much" is a ''genetic trait''; meaning they are the way they are ''because they were born that way''. And that's ignoring the fact "loving too much" is clearly just an exaggerated positive spin on a negative trait. Uchiha tend to behave just like Sasuke does, brooding, serious, and mission oriented. The only Uchiha we really see that act differently are Sasuke's mother (who acts like a normal mother) and Obito (who's pretty much just Naruto with a bit of a Hinata complex). An Uchiha "loving too much" really never actually appears, so the trait they really have is "more likely to become obsessed with and insane over loss" which is... an evil trait they're born with.
22nd Sep '16 6:48:32 AM thezogg
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%% ** The story treats as if revenge is a bad thing, but for some reason it's only when Naruto or Sasuke are involved. Kakashi who gave Sasuke lecture about not seeking revenge on Itachi for his clanmates was perfectly content with letting Team 10 seek revenge on Hidan after [[spoiler: he killed Asuma]] and even convinced Tsunade to let them go. Shikamaru was clearly satisfied on taking care of Hidan, and there were no negative consequences, with the story and the character treating Shikamaru subjecting Hidan to FateWorseThanDeath as a good thing.

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%% ** The story treats as if revenge is a bad thing, but for some reason it's only when Naruto or Sasuke are involved. Kakashi who gave Sasuke lecture about not seeking revenge on Itachi for his clanmates was perfectly content with letting Team 10 seek revenge on Hidan after [[spoiler: he killed Asuma]] and even convinced Tsunade to let them go. Shikamaru was clearly satisfied on taking care of Hidan, and there were no negative consequences, with the story and the character treating Shikamaru subjecting Hidan to FateWorseThanDeath as a good thing.
26th Aug '16 3:41:39 PM Scabbard
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** In addition to this, the story makes it clear that because nobody is born evil, anyone who is evil has a FreudianExcuse that makes them the way they are. The story generally didn't enforce this part of it much, as some of them, like Hidan, Kakuzu, and Orochimaru, really get no excuse at all for anything they do. Once again giving special mention to the entire Uchiha clan, the story seemed to desperately want to redeem them from the very beginning, but just threw out a bunch of explanations for their behavior, seemingly at random. The ''two'' official canon explanations the story seemed to settle on about 6/7ths and 13/14ths of the way through the story respectively were that they were "cursed to love too much", meaning they would take extreme action and potentially turn evil if anyone they cared for died, and the second was that they were manipulated by an evil goddess and her underling the entire time. The former completely breaks the aesop, because the "loving too much" is a ''genetic trait''; meaning they are the way they are ''because they were born that way''. And that's ignoring the fact "loving too much" is clearly just an exaggerated positive spin on a negative trait. Uchiha tend to behave just like Sasuke does, brooding, serious, and mission oriented. The only Uchiha we really see that act differently are Sasuke's mother (who acts like a normal mother) and Obito (who's pretty much just Naruto with a bit of a Hinata complex). An Ulchiha "loving too much" really never actually appears, so the trait they really have is "more likely to become obsessed with and insane over loss" which is... an evil trait they're born with.

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** In addition to this, the story makes it clear that because nobody is born evil, anyone who is evil has a FreudianExcuse that makes them the way they are. The story generally didn't enforce this part of it much, as some of them, like Hidan, Kakuzu, and Orochimaru, really get no excuse at all for anything they do. Once again giving special mention to the entire Uchiha clan, the story seemed to desperately want to redeem them from the very beginning, but just threw out a bunch of explanations for their behavior, seemingly at random. The ''two'' official canon explanations the story seemed to settle on about 6/7ths and 13/14ths of the way through the story respectively were that they were "cursed to love too much", meaning they would take extreme action and potentially turn evil if anyone they cared for died, and the second was that they were manipulated by an evil goddess and her underling the entire time. The former completely breaks the aesop, because the "loving too much" is a ''genetic trait''; meaning they are the way they are ''because they were born that way''. And that's ignoring the fact "loving too much" is clearly just an exaggerated positive spin on a negative trait. Uchiha tend to behave just like Sasuke does, brooding, serious, and mission oriented. The only Uchiha we really see that act differently are Sasuke's mother (who acts like a normal mother) and Obito (who's pretty much just Naruto with a bit of a Hinata complex). An Ulchiha Uchiha "loving too much" really never actually appears, so the trait they really have is "more likely to become obsessed with and insane over loss" which is... an evil trait they're born with.
20th Jul '16 5:38:24 PM Prometheus117
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* ''Manga/FairyTail'' is ''big'' on highlighting ThePowerOfFriendship. So much so that many a third of the battles couldn't have been won without it. Lucy gets half her powerups because spirits like how friendly she is with them. Sticking it out for your friends is always the right thing to do... unless you're Jellal, in which case doing so gets you tortured and [[spoiler:brainwashed]], hated by everyone, and robbed on any semblance of life or freedom.

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* ''Manga/FairyTail'' is ''big'' on highlighting ThePowerOfFriendship. So much so that many a third of the battles couldn't have been won without it. Lucy gets half her powerups because spirits like how friendly she is with them. Sticking it out for your friends is always the right thing to do... unless you're Jellal, in which case doing so gets you tortured and [[spoiler:brainwashed]], hated by everyone, and robbed on any semblance of life or freedom. Granted, it gets better for him down the line, but it's a ''long'' path...
19th Jul '16 3:06:50 PM DoctorSleep
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** The story treats as if revenge is a bad thing, but for some reason it's only when Naruto or Sasuke are involved. Kakashi who gave Sasuke lecture about not seeking revenge on Itachi for his clanmates was perfectly content with letting Team 10 seek revenge on Hidan after [[spoiler: he killed Asuma]] and even convinced Tsunade to let them go. Shikamaru was clearly satisfied on taking care of Hidan, and there were no negative consequences, with the story and the character treating Shikamaru subjecting Hidan to FateWorseThanDeath as a good thing.

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%% ** The story treats as if revenge is a bad thing, but for some reason it's only when Naruto or Sasuke are involved. Kakashi who gave Sasuke lecture about not seeking revenge on Itachi for his clanmates was perfectly content with letting Team 10 seek revenge on Hidan after [[spoiler: he killed Asuma]] and even convinced Tsunade to let them go. Shikamaru was clearly satisfied on taking care of Hidan, and there were no negative consequences, with the story and the character treating Shikamaru subjecting Hidan to FateWorseThanDeath as a good thing.
13th Jul '16 2:17:01 PM Quanyails
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** It has been stated that trained Pokémon are stronger than wild ones, so Pokémon Trainers must train them and can't expect to win battles using untrained ones. This sends the message that you must work hard in order to attain your goals and can't be lazy and expect to get things done the easy way. Yet every time Ash used Pokémon that he had never trained or even used once (ie: Tauros and Krabby) during Pokémon League [[note]]whose participants in are supposed to be some of the strongest trainers in the region[[/note]] matches during the original series, they kicked far more ass than most of those he had used through most of his journey (ie: the Kanto starters) and thus should be more experienced. Even worse, his Krabby evolved into Kingler ''in the very first Pokémon Battle it participated in'' when most of the Pokémon Ash had with him for most of his journey and had participated in dozen of battles were still unevolved (To say nothing about the strength of said Krabby as when Ash caught it it was so weak it was locked into it's pokeball without even weakening it, something even Caterpie could fight off). The same thing had happened earlier with Ash's Primeape: it won a Pokémon fighting tournament despite being a freshly caught Pokémon that had never been trained or used in a battle before. In the same tournament participated a guy called Anthony who used a Hitmonchan he had been obsessively training to to the point of neglecting his family, yet he didn't even get to the finals. In fact, Anthony was so impressed by Ash's Primeape that he offered to take it under his mantle, apparently thinking that it was worth more than his highly trained Hitmonchan.

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** It has been stated that trained Pokémon are stronger than wild ones, so Pokémon Trainers must train them and can't expect to win battles using untrained ones. This sends the message that you must work hard in order to attain your goals and can't be lazy and expect to get things done the easy way. Yet every time Ash used Pokémon that he had never trained or even used once (ie: Tauros and Krabby) during Pokémon League [[note]]whose participants in are supposed to be some of the strongest trainers in the region[[/note]] matches during the original series, they kicked far more ass than most of those he had used through most of his journey (ie: the Kanto starters) and thus should be more experienced. Even worse, his Krabby evolved into Kingler ''in the very first Pokémon Battle it participated in'' when most of the Pokémon Ash had with him for most of his journey and had participated in dozen of battles were still unevolved (To say nothing about the strength of said Krabby as when Ash caught it it was so weak it was locked into it's its pokeball without even weakening it, something even Caterpie could fight off). The same thing had happened earlier with Ash's Primeape: it won a Pokémon fighting tournament despite being a freshly caught Pokémon that had never been trained or used in a battle before. In the same tournament participated a guy called Anthony who used a Hitmonchan he had been obsessively training to to the point of neglecting his family, yet he didn't even get to the finals. In fact, Anthony was so impressed by Ash's Primeape that he offered to take it under his mantle, apparently thinking that it was worth more than his highly trained Hitmonchan.
13th Jul '16 2:06:53 PM Quanyails
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* Anime/MagicalShoppingArcadeAbenobashi, at first, appears to simply be a zany [[TheresNoPlaceLikeHome trying-to-get-home]] plot as they travel from one bizarre world to the next. As it turns out, the reason they couldn't get back was [[spoiler: that Sashi was the one in control without even realizing it. Not only that, it's revealed to him that they're stuck there [[DarkerAndEdgier because he's suffering Post Traumatic Stress Disorder due to the fact that Arumi's grandfather died from the fall off his restaurant.]] Feeling guilty, he tries to distract her and prevent them from returning so she doesn't learn the truth. This fails and, in the end, they start to head home. This, however, is undermined by him unlocking a hidden power, [[ResetButton re-writing reality to prevent grandpa from dying.]]]] The moral of the story is "while tragedy really hurts, you can't hide in your own little world forever and have to face reality eventually." Or that's what it would be if not for how it ends. Instead, it comes off as "if you wish hard enough, you'll never lose anyone or anything close to you." [[{{Anime/Pokemon3}} Another work handled the "dealing with loss" message better.]]

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* Anime/MagicalShoppingArcadeAbenobashi, ''Anime/MagicalShoppingArcadeAbenobashi'', at first, appears to simply be a zany [[TheresNoPlaceLikeHome trying-to-get-home]] plot as they travel from one bizarre world to the next. As it turns out, the reason they couldn't get back was [[spoiler: that Sashi was the one in control without even realizing it. Not only that, it's revealed to him that they're stuck there [[DarkerAndEdgier because he's suffering Post Traumatic Stress Disorder due to the fact that Arumi's grandfather died from the fall off his restaurant.]] Feeling guilty, he tries to distract her and prevent them from returning so she doesn't learn the truth. This fails and, in the end, they start to head home. This, however, is undermined by him unlocking a hidden power, [[ResetButton re-writing reality to prevent grandpa from dying.]]]] The moral of the story is "while tragedy really hurts, you can't hide in your own little world forever and have to face reality eventually." Or that's what it would be if not for how it ends. Instead, it comes off as "if you wish hard enough, you'll never lose anyone or anything close to you." [[{{Anime/Pokemon3}} Another work handled the "dealing with loss" message better.]]
30th Jun '16 10:25:01 PM Kikai
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***Speaking of forsaking your fellows: In both the Sasuke Retrieval Arc and the Jiraiya Shinobi Handbook Arc, the squad members [[TheRestShallPass peel off one by one]] to fight vastly more experienced enemies so the rest of the group can go on. In the Jiraiya Shinobi Handbook Arc, Tenten actually calls Shikamaru out for ordering Lee to stay behind as a distraction. In spite of the strategy nearly killing everyone in both arcs, everyone considers Shikamaru a smart leader and a good friend.
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