History BrokenAesop / AnimeAndManga

25th May '16 3:08:54 AM AlienPatch
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** The cause the heroes fight--to provethat humanity is worth its existence--is undermined frequently by their own concessions about the innate bad streak in humanity without acknowledging the good, ''and'' [[spoiler:their hinted acceptance at the end that humanity is unlikely to change for the better or embrace the GreenAesop the shamans supposedly live by]]. The story ''further'' undermines this by rendering the only non-shaman protagonist utterly useless and giving the roles he could actually play in the story to other, more not-Muggle characters, even in situations where him taking action would be common sense. In addition, all other non-Shamans are depicted at best as too powerless to even help themselves and at worst as greedy, self-centered, corrupt, or downright evil people. And yet the message is still supposed to be seen as in ''favor'' of humanity!

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** The cause the heroes fight--to provethat prove that humanity is worth its existence--is undermined frequently by their own concessions about the innate bad streak in humanity without acknowledging the good, ''and'' [[spoiler:their hinted acceptance at the end that humanity is unlikely to change for the better or embrace the GreenAesop the shamans supposedly live by]]. The story ''further'' undermines this by rendering the only non-shaman protagonist utterly useless and giving the roles he could actually play in the story to other, more not-Muggle characters, even in situations where him taking action would be common sense. In addition, all other non-Shamans are depicted at best as too powerless to even help themselves and at worst as greedy, self-centered, corrupt, or downright evil people. And yet the message is still supposed to be seen as in ''favor'' of humanity!
25th May '16 2:55:05 AM AlienPatch
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** The cause the heroes fight to prove--that humanity is worth its existence--is undermined frequently by their own concessions about the innate bad streak in humanity without acknowledging the good, ''and'' [[spoiler:their hinted acceptance at the end that humanity is unlikely to change for the better or embrace the GreenAesop the shamans supposedly live by]]. The story ''further'' undermines this by rendering the only non-shaman protagonist utterly useless and giving the roles he could actually play in the story to other, more not-Muggle characters, even in situations where him taking action would be common sense. In addition, all other non-Shamans are depicted at best as too powerless to even help themselves and at worst as greedy, self-centered, corrupt, or downright evil people. And yet the message is still supposed to be seen as in ''favor'' of humanity!

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** The cause the heroes fight to prove--that fight--to provethat humanity is worth its existence--is undermined frequently by their own concessions about the innate bad streak in humanity without acknowledging the good, ''and'' [[spoiler:their hinted acceptance at the end that humanity is unlikely to change for the better or embrace the GreenAesop the shamans supposedly live by]]. The story ''further'' undermines this by rendering the only non-shaman protagonist utterly useless and giving the roles he could actually play in the story to other, more not-Muggle characters, even in situations where him taking action would be common sense. In addition, all other non-Shamans are depicted at best as too powerless to even help themselves and at worst as greedy, self-centered, corrupt, or downright evil people. And yet the message is still supposed to be seen as in ''favor'' of humanity!
20th Mar '16 11:16:49 AM Dechstreme
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** Furthermore, the series frequently states that ShrinkingViolet-types -- most notably Hinata -- need to learn how to stand up for themselves. However, whenever said character inevitably gets their NotAfraidOfYouAnymore moment, it's usually against an enemy whom they can't possibly hope to defeat, often leading to a YankTheDogsChain CurbStompBattle until Naruto -- or someone similar -- is forced to pull a BigDamnHeroes moment anyway. So basically, even if you're ProperlyParanoid, you should just recklessly stick your neck out anyway?
9th Mar '16 11:03:23 AM bassforte123
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*** Again with the written test, the point of the 10th question is that if you accept it and fail you're forever banned from being a ninja. It's supposed to represent being willing to accept a highly dangerous mission under the risk that failure means death, and a ninja needs that kind of bravery to operate in the higher ranks. However Naruto has absolutely no chance to pass (like the above, even if by some miracle he answered it, he'd still have a failing grade). So the aesop about being brave enough to risk your life for the mission is broken as Naruto is an example of someone foolishly jumping for any mission regardless of how prepared he actually is even if it would mean complete failure.

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*** Again with the written test, the point of the 10th question is that if you accept it and fail you're forever banned from being a ninja. It's supposed to represent being willing to accept a highly dangerous mission under the risk that failure means death, and a ninja needs that kind of bravery to operate in the higher ranks. However Naruto has absolutely no chance to pass (like the above, even if by some miracle he answered it, he'd still have a failing grade). So the aesop about being brave enough to risk your life for the mission is broken as Naruto is an example of someone foolishly jumping for any mission regardless of how prepared he actually is. Especially since he has to opt into taking the 10th question, the whole thing is less about being prepared to accept a dangerous mission as it mirrors his well acknowledged flaw of begging to take harder missions despite performing poorly on even if it would mean complete failure.very simple tasks (He was unable to collect litter without falling off a waterfall but still wants to accept missions that might involve direct combat.)
1st Mar '16 6:55:26 AM StFan
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* ''Anime/{{Mai-Otome}}'': Arika succeeds in her quest to become an Otome not because of the purity of her dream, but because she's the daughter of Lena Sayers and so the authorities (first and foremost, Natsuki) are willing to bend the rules for her. And she's a powerful Otome for the same reason: she has inherited the genes and the gems from Lena.

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* ''Anime/{{Mai-Otome}}'': ''Anime/MaiOtome'': Arika succeeds in her quest to become an Otome not because of the purity of her dream, but because she's the daughter of Lena Sayers and so the authorities (first and foremost, Natsuki) are willing to bend the rules for her. And she's a powerful Otome for the same reason: she has inherited the genes and the gems from Lena.
9th Feb '16 5:22:39 AM NNinja
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* Being that it is essentially an [[RecycledInSpace In Space!]] retelling of ''Film/SevenSamurai'', ''Anime/SamuraiSeven'' naturally lifts a lot of its material from the original film. This, unfortunately, includes Kanbei using his movie counterpart's line about how, with the bandits and the samurai having slaughtered each other, the peasants are the only ones who have truly won, at the series end. In contrast to the movie, though, not only are the samurai portrayed here as genuinely heroic, sympathetic characters, but the peasants themselves genuinely care about and trust the samurai.
5th Feb '16 1:30:16 PM NNinja
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** According to [[WordOfGod Kishimoto]] the overall theme of the series is that using violence to stop conflicts is wrong. DoNotDoThisCoolThing aside, such message falls flat in a story where every single conflict was resolved directly or indirectly using violence. Even when Naruto did [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath Talk The Monster To Death]] he had to beat some sense into said monster before he listened to him.
30th Jan '16 11:01:05 AM Peridonyx
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** Furthermore, the series frequently states that ShrinkingViolet-types -- most notably Hinata -- need to learn how to stand up for themselves. However, whenever said character inevitably gets their NotAfraidOfYouAnymore moment, it's usually against an enemy whom they can't possibly hope to defeat, often leading to a YankTheDogsChain CurbStompBattles until Naruto -- or someone similar -- is forced to pull a BigDamnHeroes moment anyway. So basically, even if you're ProperlyParanoid, you should just recklessly stick your neck out anyway?

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** Furthermore, the series frequently states that ShrinkingViolet-types -- most notably Hinata -- need to learn how to stand up for themselves. However, whenever said character inevitably gets their NotAfraidOfYouAnymore moment, it's usually against an enemy whom they can't possibly hope to defeat, often leading to a YankTheDogsChain CurbStompBattles CurbStompBattle until Naruto -- or someone similar -- is forced to pull a BigDamnHeroes moment anyway. So basically, even if you're ProperlyParanoid, you should just recklessly stick your neck out anyway?
30th Jan '16 11:00:44 AM Peridonyx
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** Furthermore, the series frequently states that ShrinkingViolent-types -- most notably Hinata -- need to learn how to stand up for themselves. However, whenever said character inevitably gets their NotAfraidOfYouAnymore moment, it's usually against an enemy whom they can't possibly hope to defeat, often leading to a YankTheDogsChain CurbStompBattles until Naruto -- or someone similar -- is forced to pull a BigDamnHeroes moment anyway. So basically, even if you're ProperlyParanoid, you should just recklessly stick your neck out anyway?

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** Furthermore, the series frequently states that ShrinkingViolent-types ShrinkingViolet-types -- most notably Hinata -- need to learn how to stand up for themselves. However, whenever said character inevitably gets their NotAfraidOfYouAnymore moment, it's usually against an enemy whom they can't possibly hope to defeat, often leading to a YankTheDogsChain CurbStompBattles until Naruto -- or someone similar -- is forced to pull a BigDamnHeroes moment anyway. So basically, even if you're ProperlyParanoid, you should just recklessly stick your neck out anyway?
30th Jan '16 11:00:19 AM Peridonyx
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** Furthermore, the series frequently states that ShrinkingViolent-types -- most notably Hinata -- need to learn how to stand up for themselves. However, whenever said character inevitably gets their NotAfraidOfYouAnymore moment, it's usually against an enemy whom they can't possibly hope to defeat, often leading to a YankTheDogsChain CurbStompBattles until Naruto -- or someone similar -- is forced to pull a BigDamnHeroes moment anyway. So basically, even if you're ProperlyParanoid, you should just recklessly stick your neck out anyway?
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