History Analysis / MedievalMorons

6th Aug '16 11:24:39 AM Khazzadumm
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In reality, this is subjective [[FlameWar of course]]. Medieval peasants had the potential to be about as smart or as dumb, as nice or as cruel as people from any other time or place. The thing is that beside our accumulated knowledge of age and literate population, vast [[NewMediaAreEvil amount of easy accessible]] [[TheInternetIsForPorn information]], intelligence has [[TruthInTelevision actually evolved with each generation]]. Not only in the sense of better nutrition, medicine and quality of life, but since the advent of the scientific method, the way people react to the world has shifted in ways that would [[TheSingularity seem impossible or insane for ancient societies]].

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In reality, this is subjective [[FlameWar of course]]. Medieval peasants had the potential to be about as smart or as dumb, as nice or as cruel as people from any other time or place. The thing pla" th"ng is that beside our accumulated knowledge of age and literate population, vast [[NewMediaAreEvil amount of easy accessible]] [[TheInternetIsForPorn information]], intelligence has [[TruthInTelevision actually evolved with each generation]]. Not only in the sense of better nutrition, medicine and quality of life, but since the advent of the scientific method, the way people react to the world has shifted in ways that would [[TheSingularity seem impossible or insane for ancient societies]].



Finally, since the question of religion ''will'' crop up sooner or later: the unwillingness of people to change their situation was somewhat justified by their faith. The argument would've gone like this: Our life on Earth takes 70 to 80 years max (at least today it does [[note]]according to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy the other wiki]], back then it was more like [[TheDungAges 50-60 years]], assuming you made it to adulthood, which most of the time you didn't.[[/note]])-but our afterlife is forever. Hence it makes sense to care more about living according to your religion than trying to change your fate in this very world.

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Finally, since the question of religion ''will'' crop up sooner or later: the unwillingness of people to change their situation was somewhat justified by their faith. The argument would've gone like this: Our life on Earth takes 70 to 80 years max (at least today it does [[note]]according to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy the other wiki]], back then it was more like [[TheDungAges 50-60 years]], assuming you made it to adulthood, which most of the time you didn't.[[/note]])-but our afterlife is forever. Hence it makes sense to care more about living according to your religion than trying to change your fate in this very world.world (and even so, what would/could you change in 50-60 years? Many horrendous movements and ideologies were started out of a desire to change the world which either didn't need changing, or was changing just fine in it's own pace).

Further adding to the complex situation is the fact that every generation/age is subjected to it's own tipe of a pity it feels to those "poor, unenlightened wretched simpletons of yore". Although we like to ponder how better things would be today if only X was done/invented/didn't exist, the fact remains that for the people living in those periods, life was probably reasonably good. Just as a medieval peasant could not pine for the internet, or lament the lack of democracy, so we today cannot desire some fantastic things from 3000 AD.
24th Apr '16 8:24:53 PM Fireblood
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In reality, this is subjective [[FlameWar of course]]. Medieval peasants had the potential to be about as smart or as dumb, as nice or as cruel as people from any other time or place. The thing is that beside our accumulated knowledge of age and literate population, vast [[NewMediaAreEvil amount of easy accessible]] [[TheInternetIsForPorn information]]; intelligence has [[TruthInTelevision actually evolved with each generation]]. Not only in the sense of better nutrition, medicine and quality of life, but since the advent of the Scientific Method, the way people react to the world has shifted in ways that would [[TheSingularity seem impossible or insane for ancient societies]].

In other words, our Cultures are better suited for comprehension, studying and analytical thinking.

On the other hand, the general conditions of living, while not nearly as appalling as they're [[TheDungAges made out to be]] were considerably more demanding, and just surviving required not only more physical but also more mental readiness than the Medieval era is given credit for. Conversely, while we certainly have access to more information nowadays, most people [[TheInternetIsForPorn don't exactly take full advantage of this]], and even then, we have to keep in mind that "knowledge" is not synonymous with "intelligence". If anything, [[TruthInTelevision studies tend to show]] that being saturated with information faster than you can process it can actually [[NewMediaAreEvil impair cognitive function]].

As for the studies showing that intelligence evolved with each generation, they should be taken with a grain of salt. Not only do they only go back a century and half at most, but they're also extremely culturally specific: these are the same studies that show [[UnfortunateImplications Europeans consistently outsmarting Africans]]. What we see as intelligence in our own, modern, western society is a very biased view: it would be downright moronic to apply most of our behaviours, mores and even thought processes in most situations outside our own [[CripplingOverspecialisation incredibly complex and specific]] society, while a lot of our knowledge is not only completely useless but also completely unverifiable without the vast social and technological infrastructure we have. There's a reason why "normal" behaviour being completely useless in a survival situation is such a big point in military training.

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In reality, this is subjective [[FlameWar of course]]. Medieval peasants had the potential to be about as smart or as dumb, as nice or as cruel as people from any other time or place. The thing is that beside our accumulated knowledge of age and literate population, vast [[NewMediaAreEvil amount of easy accessible]] [[TheInternetIsForPorn information]]; information]], intelligence has [[TruthInTelevision actually evolved with each generation]]. Not only in the sense of better nutrition, medicine and quality of life, but since the advent of the Scientific Method, scientific method, the way people react to the world has shifted in ways that would [[TheSingularity seem impossible or insane for ancient societies]].

In other words, our Cultures cultures are better suited for comprehension, studying and analytical thinking.

On the other hand, the general conditions of living, while not nearly as appalling as they're [[TheDungAges made out to be]] be]], were considerably more demanding, and just surviving required not only more physical but also more mental readiness than the Medieval era is given credit for. Conversely, while we certainly have access to more information nowadays, most people [[TheInternetIsForPorn don't exactly take full advantage of this]], and even then, we have to keep in mind that "knowledge" is not synonymous with "intelligence". If anything, [[TruthInTelevision studies tend to show]] that being saturated with information faster than you can process it can actually [[NewMediaAreEvil impair cognitive function]].

As for the studies showing that intelligence evolved with each generation, they should be taken with a grain of salt. Not only do they only go back a century and half at most, but they're also extremely culturally specific: these are the same studies that show [[UnfortunateImplications Europeans consistently outsmarting Africans]]. What we see as intelligence in our own, modern, western Western society is a very biased view: it would be downright moronic to apply most of our behaviours, behaviors, mores and even thought processes in most situations outside our own [[CripplingOverspecialisation incredibly complex and specific]] society, while a lot of our knowledge is not only completely useless but also completely unverifiable without the vast social and technological infrastructure we have. There's a reason why "normal" behaviour behavior being completely useless in a survival situation is such a big point in military training.



While of course, most people today [[TechnologyMarchesOn think they know]] [[SocietyMarchesOn everything about the universe]] (just like back then) and naturally peasants always had great practical expertise in areas few modern European or North American humans would bother to learn any more. This led to CripplingOverspecialization in a single area that would not make them very flexible thinkers or cunning per se. Intelligence isn't necessarily knowing everything at all times and cunning doesn't mean being a ChessMaster. This works both ways.

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While of course, most people today [[TechnologyMarchesOn think they know]] [[SocietyMarchesOn everything about the universe]] (just like back then) and then), naturally peasants always had great practical expertise in areas few modern European or North American humans would bother to learn any more. This led to CripplingOverspecialization in a single area that would not make them very flexible thinkers or cunning per se. Intelligence isn't necessarily knowing everything at all times and cunning doesn't mean being a ChessMaster. This works both ways.
12th Jun '14 6:04:52 PM Fireblood
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While of course, most people today [[TechnologyMarchesOn think they know]] [[SocietyMarchesOn everything about the universe]] (just like back then) and naturally peasants always had great practical expertise in areas few modern European or North American humans would bother to learn any more, this lead to CripplingOverspecialization in a single area that would not make them very flexible thinkers or cunning per se. Intelligence isn't necessarily knowing everything at all times and cunning doesn't mean being a ChessMaster. This works both ways.

Finally, since the question of religion ''will'' crop up sooner or later: The unwillingness of people to change their situation was somewhat justified by their faith. The argument would've gone like this: Our life on Earth takes 70 to 80 years max (at least today it does [[note]]according to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy the other wiki]], back then it was more like [[TheDungAges 50-60 years]], assuming you made it to adulthood, which most of the time you didn't.[[/note]]) - but our afterlife forever. Hence it makes sense to care more about living according to your religion than trying to change your fate in this very world.

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While of course, most people today [[TechnologyMarchesOn think they know]] [[SocietyMarchesOn everything about the universe]] (just like back then) and naturally peasants always had great practical expertise in areas few modern European or North American humans would bother to learn any more, this lead more. This led to CripplingOverspecialization in a single area that would not make them very flexible thinkers or cunning per se. Intelligence isn't necessarily knowing everything at all times and cunning doesn't mean being a ChessMaster. This works both ways.

Finally, since the question of religion ''will'' crop up sooner or later: The the unwillingness of people to change their situation was somewhat justified by their faith. The argument would've gone like this: Our life on Earth takes 70 to 80 years max (at least today it does [[note]]according to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy the other wiki]], back then it was more like [[TheDungAges 50-60 years]], assuming you made it to adulthood, which most of the time you didn't.[[/note]]) - but [[/note]])-but our afterlife is forever. Hence it makes sense to care more about living according to your religion than trying to change your fate in this very world.
15th Jan '14 6:48:19 PM karstovich2
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Finally, since the question of religion ''will'' crop up sooner or later: The unwillingness of people to change their situation was somewhat justified by their faith. The argument would've gone like this: Our life on Earth takes 70 to 80 years max (at least today it does [[note]]according to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy the other wiki]], back then it was more like [[TheDungAges 30 years]].[[/note]]) - but our afterlife forever. Hence it makes sense to care more about living according to your religion than trying to change your fate in this very world.

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Finally, since the question of religion ''will'' crop up sooner or later: The unwillingness of people to change their situation was somewhat justified by their faith. The argument would've gone like this: Our life on Earth takes 70 to 80 years max (at least today it does [[note]]according to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy the other wiki]], back then it was more like [[TheDungAges 30 years]].50-60 years]], assuming you made it to adulthood, which most of the time you didn't.[[/note]]) - but our afterlife forever. Hence it makes sense to care more about living according to your religion than trying to change your fate in this very world.
29th Jul '13 5:47:34 AM SeptimusHeap
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Finally, since the question of religion ''will'' crop up sooner or later: The unwillingness of people to change their situation was somewhat justified by their faith. The argument would've gone like this: Our life on Earth takes 70 to 80 years max (at least today it does [[hottip:*:according to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy the other wiki]], back then it was more like [[TheDungAges 30 years]].]]) - but our afterlife forever. Hence it makes sense to care more about living according to your religion than trying to change your fate in this very world.

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Finally, since the question of religion ''will'' crop up sooner or later: The unwillingness of people to change their situation was somewhat justified by their faith. The argument would've gone like this: Our life on Earth takes 70 to 80 years max (at least today it does [[hottip:*:according [[note]]according to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy the other wiki]], back then it was more like [[TheDungAges 30 years]].]]) [[/note]]) - but our afterlife forever. Hence it makes sense to care more about living according to your religion than trying to change your fate in this very world.
18th Mar '13 3:31:58 PM Samadhir
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Also remember that the great people of the past are ''exceptions'' to the rule, extremely rare and bound by the very society and situation they live in. Using them as examples is quite... [[EpicFail wrong]]

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Also remember that the great people of the past are ''exceptions'' to the rule, extremely rare and bound by the very society and situation they live in. Using them as examples is quite... [[EpicFail wrong]]
not that relevant.
4th Nov '12 6:33:37 AM DynamicDragon
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As for the studies showing that intelligence evolved with each generation, they should be taken with a grain of salt. Not only do they only go back a century and half at most, but they're also extremely culturally specific: these are the same studies that show [[UnfortunateImplications Europeans consistently outsmarting Africans]]. What we see as intelligence in our own, modern, western society is a very biased view: it would be downright moronic to apply most of our behaviours, mores and even thought processes in most situations outside our own [[CripplingOverspecialisation incredibly complex and specific]] society, while a lot of our knowledge is not only completely useless but also completely unverifialbe without the vast social and technological infrastructure we have. There's a reason why "normal" behaviour being completely useless in a survival situation is such a big point in military training.

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As for the studies showing that intelligence evolved with each generation, they should be taken with a grain of salt. Not only do they only go back a century and half at most, but they're also extremely culturally specific: these are the same studies that show [[UnfortunateImplications Europeans consistently outsmarting Africans]]. What we see as intelligence in our own, modern, western society is a very biased view: it would be downright moronic to apply most of our behaviours, mores and even thought processes in most situations outside our own [[CripplingOverspecialisation incredibly complex and specific]] society, while a lot of our knowledge is not only completely useless but also completely unverifialbe unverifiable without the vast social and technological infrastructure we have. There's a reason why "normal" behaviour being completely useless in a survival situation is such a big point in military training.
25th Aug '12 9:42:25 AM Abodos
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As for the studies showing that intelligence evolved with each generation, they should be taken with a grain of salt. Not only do they only go back a century and half at most, but they're also extremely culturally specific: these are the same studies that consistently show [[UnfortunateImplications Europeans consistently outsmarting Africans]]. What we see as intelligence in our own, modern, western society is a very biased view: it would be downright moronic to apply most of our behaviours, mores and even thought processes in most situations outside our own [[CripplingOverspecialisation incredibly complex and specific]] society, while a lot of our knowledge is not only completely useless but also completely unverifialbe without the vast social and technological infrastructure we have. There's a reason why "normal" behaviour being completely useless in a survival situation is such a big point in military training.

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As for the studies showing that intelligence evolved with each generation, they should be taken with a grain of salt. Not only do they only go back a century and half at most, but they're also extremely culturally specific: these are the same studies that consistently show [[UnfortunateImplications Europeans consistently outsmarting Africans]]. What we see as intelligence in our own, modern, western society is a very biased view: it would be downright moronic to apply most of our behaviours, mores and even thought processes in most situations outside our own [[CripplingOverspecialisation incredibly complex and specific]] society, while a lot of our knowledge is not only completely useless but also completely unverifialbe without the vast social and technological infrastructure we have. There's a reason why "normal" behaviour being completely useless in a survival situation is such a big point in military training.
10th Jun '12 1:53:00 PM SeptimusHeap
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In reality, this is [[YourMileageMayVary subjective]] [[FlameWar of course]]. Medieval peasants had the potential to be about as smart or as dumb, as nice or as cruel as people from any other time or place. The thing is that beside our accumulated knowledge of age and literate population, vast [[NewMediaAreEvil amount of easy accessible]] [[TheInternetIsForPorn information]]; intelligence has [[TruthInTelevision actually evolved with each generation]]. Not only in the sense of better nutrition, medicine and quality of life, but since the advent of the Scientific Method, the way people react to the world has shifted in ways that would [[TheSingularity seem impossible or insane for ancient societies]].

to:

In reality, this is [[YourMileageMayVary subjective]] subjective [[FlameWar of course]]. Medieval peasants had the potential to be about as smart or as dumb, as nice or as cruel as people from any other time or place. The thing is that beside our accumulated knowledge of age and literate population, vast [[NewMediaAreEvil amount of easy accessible]] [[TheInternetIsForPorn information]]; intelligence has [[TruthInTelevision actually evolved with each generation]]. Not only in the sense of better nutrition, medicine and quality of life, but since the advent of the Scientific Method, the way people react to the world has shifted in ways that would [[TheSingularity seem impossible or insane for ancient societies]].
21st Apr '12 7:08:37 PM ChaoticNovelist
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While of course, most people today [[TechnologyMarchesOn think they know]] [[SocietyMarchesOn everything about the universe]] (just like back then) and naturally peasants always had great practical expertise in areas few modern European or North American humans would bother to learn any more, this lead to CripplingOverspecialization in a single area that would not make them very flexible thinkers or cunning per se. Intelligence isn't necessarily knowing everything at all times and cunning doesn't mean being a [[XanatosSpeedChess mastermind]] [[XanatosGambit manipulator]]. This works both ways.

to:

While of course, most people today [[TechnologyMarchesOn think they know]] [[SocietyMarchesOn everything about the universe]] (just like back then) and naturally peasants always had great practical expertise in areas few modern European or North American humans would bother to learn any more, this lead to CripplingOverspecialization in a single area that would not make them very flexible thinkers or cunning per se. Intelligence isn't necessarily knowing everything at all times and cunning doesn't mean being a [[XanatosSpeedChess mastermind]] [[XanatosGambit manipulator]].ChessMaster. This works both ways.
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