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* '''Listing unnecessary aversions before an example:''' "X isn't an A, Y isn't an A, but Z is an A" falls under the category of extraneous information, since people do not read trope pages to read about examples that don't qualify.

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* '''Listing unnecessary aversions {{aver|tedTrope}}sions before an example:''' "X isn't an A, Y isn't an A, but Z is an A" falls under the category of extraneous information, since people do not read trope pages to read about examples that don't qualify.qualify. With few exceptions (detailed on AvertedTrope), aversions should generally never be listed.
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* '''Listing unnecessary aversions before an example:''' "X isn't an A, Y isn't an A, but Z is an A" falls under the category of extraneous information, since people do not read trope pages to read about examples that don't qualify.


* '''Bogus intensifiers:''' Instances of "and even", "an entire", "literally" and "totally" can usually be like totally even literally zapped entirely, for real. For the same reason, things like "brutally subverted" or "averted hard" should be brutally averted.

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* '''Bogus intensifiers:''' Instances of "and even", "an entire", "literally" and "totally" can usually (but not always) be like totally even literally zapped entirely, for real. For the same reason, things like "brutally subverted" or "averted hard" should be brutally averted.


* '''How did we miss ...:''' Some individuals are addicted to sticking Administrivia/HowDidWeMissThisOne or other VerbalTic nonsense onto their examples like ugly verbal warts.

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* '''How did we miss ...:''' Some individuals are addicted to sticking Administrivia/HowDidWeMissThisOne or other VerbalTic nonsense {{Verbal Tic}}s onto their examples like ugly verbal warts.examples, causing unnecessary clutter.
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* '''Prolongation: robo-speech:''' Some editors begin every example with "Subversion:" or "Inversion:" or "Film example:" or, in desperate cases, "Another example:". This ends up making it feel like there's a slight delay between the trope name and the example text, hindering the flow of the example text and making it feel robotic.

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* '''Prolongation: robo-speech:''' Some editors begin every example with "Subversion:" or "Inversion:" or "Film example:" or, in desperate cases, "Another example:". This ends up making it feel like there's a slight delay between the trope name and the example text, hindering the flow of the example text and making it feel robotic.
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* '''Prolongation: robo-speech:''' Some editors begin every example with "Subversion:" or "Inversion:" or "Film example:" or, in desperate cases, "Another example:". This ends up making it feel like there's a slight delay between the trope name and the example text, hindering the flow of the example text.

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* '''Prolongation: robo-speech:''' Some editors begin every example with "Subversion:" or "Inversion:" or "Film example:" or, in desperate cases, "Another example:". This ends up making it feel like there's a slight delay between the trope name and the example text, hindering the flow of the example text.text and making it feel robotic.
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* '''Prolongation: robo-speech:''' Some poor souls begin every example with "Subversion:" or "Inversion:" or "Film example:" or, in desperate cases, "Another example:". The motivation, of course, is to delay, even for a moment, that dread instant when they have to start saying something. The only significant effect is that they sound like a robot from a '50s BMovie. Easy to clean up.

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* '''Prolongation: robo-speech:''' Some poor souls editors begin every example with "Subversion:" or "Inversion:" or "Film example:" or, in desperate cases, "Another example:". The motivation, of course, is to delay, even for a moment, that dread instant when they have to start saying something. The only significant effect is that they sound This ends up making it feel like there's a robot from a '50s BMovie. Easy to clean up.slight delay between the trope name and the example text, hindering the flow of the example text.



* ''' "Subverted" as verbal chaff:''' Sticking "subverted by" (or worse yet, "semi-subverted" or "partially subverted") at the start of a paragraph is not a license to spend the rest of it noodling around on whatever topic randomly crosses your lobes. Nor is "subverted" a magical word that takes on whatever meaning you like, including "[[Administrivia/NotASubversion not actually subverted at all]]". See above re. "marmosets".

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* ''' "Subverted" as verbal chaff:''' Sticking "subverted by" (or worse yet, "semi-subverted" or "partially subverted") at the start of a paragraph is not a license to spend the rest of it noodling around on whatever topic randomly crosses your lobes. Nor is "subverted" a magical word that takes on whatever meaning you like, including "[[Administrivia/NotASubversion not actually subverted at all]]". See above re. "marmosets".
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* '''Gratuitous profanity:''' While we frown on the Administrivia/BluenoseBowdlerizer and assume that people who read this site can handle grown-up language without fainting, it's not fucking necessary to emphasize every goddamn sentence with bullshit swearing.

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* '''Gratuitous profanity:''' While we frown on the Administrivia/BluenoseBowdlerizer and assume that people who read this site can handle grown-up language without fainting, Administrivia/BluenoseBowdlerizer, it's not fucking necessary to emphasize every goddamn sentence with bullshit swearing.



* '''Technologically-aided obfuscation:''' The reverse of the previous syndrome -- an entire example with no mention of what story it's ''from'', but for a tiny link buried behind [[Franchise/StarTrek one character's]] name. Possibly they are laboring under the misapprehension that something ''more complicated'' must be ''better''. Easy to expand back into something readable without mousing over random words.
* '''Someone should totally look into that:''' "Does anyone remember a show called...?" "Wasn't there an episode where...?" An excellent question! Someone should totally look into that. Deleted! Besides, we have a page [[YouKnowThatShow just for this.]]

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* '''Technologically-aided '''Technologically aided obfuscation:''' The reverse of the previous syndrome -- an entire example with no mention of what story it's ''from'', but for a tiny link buried behind [[Franchise/StarTrek one character's]] name. Possibly they are laboring under the misapprehension that something ''more complicated'' must be ''better''. Easy to expand back into something readable without mousing over random words.
* '''Someone should totally look into that:''' "Does anyone remember a show called...?" "Wasn't there an episode where...?" An excellent question! Someone should totally look into that. Deleted! Besides, we Wiki pages are not the place to ask this. We have a page [[YouKnowThatShow just for this.these questions.]]



* '''Mind-boggling {{verbal tic}}s:''' Science cannot explain it, but certain tropers reflexively prepend "of course", "bear in mind" or "do note" (or in one terminal case: "of course, do bear in mind") to ''every single example they write''. Other examples include "Not to mention...", "Heck...", "Of all things", "Natch", and "Full stop". Just mention it or don't mention it. The preamble and/or epilogue don't help. Until a cure can be found, the best that can be hoped is that these people are tracked down and sent to the Troper Institution For Re-Education Using [[NoodleImplements Raspberry Jam And Live Marmosets]].

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* '''Mind-boggling {{verbal '''{{Verbal tic}}s:''' Science cannot explain it, but certain Certain tropers reflexively prepend "of course", "bear in mind" or "do note" (or in one terminal case: "of course, do bear in mind") to ''every single example they write''. Other examples include "Not to mention...", "Heck...", "Of all things", "Natch", and "Full stop". Just mention it or don't mention it. The preamble and/or epilogue don't help. Until a cure can be found, the best that can be hoped is that these people are tracked down and sent to the Troper Institution For Re-Education Using [[NoodleImplements Raspberry Jam And Live Marmosets]].



* '''Administrivia/AboutRhetoricalQuestions:''' This isn't the author's fault. Rhetorical questions are a very useful device! Unfortunately, an explosion in a lead paint chips factory in Montana has left a fair chunk of the internet with the approximate IQ of a brain-damaged gibbon. If you pose a rhetorical question, or anything that could by the remotest stretch be interpreted as a rhetorical question, someone will [[RhetoricalQuestionBlunder respond to it seriously]] and then pat himself on the back (with his long, gibbon-like arms) for his amazing internet wit. The probability of this happening is 1. Do not write rhetorical questions.

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* '''Administrivia/AboutRhetoricalQuestions:''' This isn't the author's fault. Rhetorical questions are a very useful device! Unfortunately, an explosion in a lead paint chips factory in Montana has left a fair chunk of the internet with the approximate IQ of a brain-damaged gibbon. If However, if you pose a rhetorical question, or anything that could by the remotest stretch be interpreted as a rhetorical question, someone will [[RhetoricalQuestionBlunder respond to it seriously]] and then pat himself on the back (with his long, gibbon-like arms) for his amazing internet wit.seriously]]. The probability of this happening is 1. Do not write rhetorical questions.


Many new Tropers are unpracticed at [[HedgeTrimmer economical writing]]. With that in mind, the following guidelines may be helpful:

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Many new Tropers are unpracticed at [[HedgeTrimmer economical writing]].writing. With that in mind, the following guidelines may be helpful:
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* '''Gratuitous profanity:''' While we frown on the BluenoseBowdlerizer and assume that people who read this site can handle grown-up language without fainting, it's not fucking necessary to emphasize every goddamn sentence with bullshit swearing.

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* '''Gratuitous profanity:''' While we frown on the BluenoseBowdlerizer Administrivia/BluenoseBowdlerizer and assume that people who read this site can handle grown-up language without fainting, it's not fucking necessary to emphasize every goddamn sentence with bullshit swearing.
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!!Tropes listed in the WikiTropes index are being discussed at the Administrivia/TropeRepairShop. Click the link [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1618086045064904400&page=1#1 here]] to join the discussion.
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* '''"Check" lists:''' "X? Check. Y? Check. Z? Check^2." TV Tropes examples are already lists, we don't need useless sub-lists like these when there could be proper context instead, plus these gags get grating starting from about the 5th time you see them due to their repetitive formula.

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* '''"Check" lists:''' "X? Check. Y? Check. Z? Check^2." TV Tropes examples are already lists, in list form, so we don't need useless unnecessary sub-lists like these when there could should be a proper context instead, plus writeup. Additionally, these gags get grating starting from about the 5th fifth time you see them due to their repetitive formula.
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* '''Gratuitous profanity:''' While we frown on the BluenoseBowdlerizer and assume that people who read this site can handle grown-up language without fainting, it's not necessary to fucking emphasize every goddamn sentence with bullshit swearing.

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* '''Gratuitous profanity:''' While we frown on the BluenoseBowdlerizer and assume that people who read this site can handle grown-up language without fainting, it's not fucking necessary to fucking emphasize every goddamn sentence with bullshit swearing.
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* '''How did we miss ...:''' Some individuals are addicted to sticking Administrivia/HowDidWeMissThisOne or SoYeah onto their examples like ugly verbal warts.

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* '''How did we miss ...:''' Some individuals are addicted to sticking Administrivia/HowDidWeMissThisOne or SoYeah other VerbalTic nonsense onto their examples like ugly verbal warts.
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* '''But enough about that, let's talk about me!:''' "ThisTroper is shocked that we have gone so long without mentioning..." "As far as this troper can remember..." This self-insertion can inevitably be removed without changing the content of the example. Although after you do so, you might find it ''has'' no content.

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* '''But enough about that, let's talk about me!:''' "ThisTroper "Administrivia/ThisTroper is shocked that we have gone so long without mentioning..." "As far as this troper can remember..." This self-insertion can inevitably be removed without changing the content of the example. Although after you do so, you might find it ''has'' no content.
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* ''' 'Subverted' as verbal chaff:''' Sticking "subverted by" (or worse yet, "semi-subverted" or "partially subverted") at the start of a paragraph is not a license to spend the rest of said paragraph noodling around on whatever topic randomly crosses your lobes. Nor is "subverted" a magical word that takes on whatever meaning you like, including "[[Administrivia/NotASubversion not actually subverted at all]]". See above re. "marmosets".

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* ''' 'Subverted' "Subverted" as verbal chaff:''' Sticking "subverted by" (or worse yet, "semi-subverted" or "partially subverted") at the start of a paragraph is not a license to spend the rest of said paragraph it noodling around on whatever topic randomly crosses your lobes. Nor is "subverted" a magical word that takes on whatever meaning you like, including "[[Administrivia/NotASubversion not actually subverted at all]]". See above re. "marmosets".

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* '''"Check" lists:''' "X? Check. Y? Check. Z? Check^2." TV Tropes examples are already lists, we don't need useless sub-lists like these when there could be proper context instead, plus these gags get grating starting from about the 5th time you see them due to their repetitive formula.
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Many new Tropers are unpracticed at [[HedgeTrimmer economical writing]]. With that in mind, the following guidelines may be helpful:

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* '''But enough about that, let's talk about me!:''' "ThisTroper is shocked that we have gone so long without mentioning..." "As far as this troper can remember..." This self-insertion can inevitably be removed without changing the content of the example. Although after you do so, you might find it ''has'' no content.
* '''Bogus intensifiers:''' Instances of "and even", "an entire", "literally" and "totally" can usually be like totally even literally zapped entirely, for real. For the same reason, things like "brutally subverted" or "averted hard" should be brutally averted.
* '''Bogus qualifiers:''' As can most instances of "basically", "just about", and "pretty much", though a little more rewriting may be required. "Also" at the beginning of an example is also unlikely to be meaningful.
* '''Gratuitous profanity:''' While we frown on the BluenoseBowdlerizer and assume that people who read this site can handle grown-up language without fainting, it's not necessary to fucking emphasize every goddamn sentence with bullshit swearing.
* '''Unnecessarily sesquipedalian verbiage:''' "Due to the fact that" sounds high-falutin' and fancy, but just say "because".
* '''Conversation masquerading as example:''' Paragraphs beginning with "although", "considering", "to be fair", "on the other hand" or "in defense of" can usually be safely merged into the preceding paragraph. Or just deleted and the thing being discussed, often just one word, replaced.
* '''Passive aggression masquerading as example:''' Paragraphs beginning with "actually", "sorry", "it should be noted", or "do you really" can be deleted to improve the wiki; [[Administrivia/ConversationInTheMainPage if they actually have a point]], this usually means that the paragraph preceding them can be deleted too.
* '''No no no no yes:''' An inexplicable variant on the above where the poster starts off with "not true" or "actually, what really happened is", spends the next few sentences rambling about something tangentially connected at best, and then wraps up by saying "so yes, that actually is right after all."
* '''Prolongation: robo-speech:''' Some poor souls begin every example with "Subversion:" or "Inversion:" or "Film example:" or, in desperate cases, "Another example:". The motivation, of course, is to delay, even for a moment, that dread instant when they have to start saying something. The only significant effect is that they sound like a robot from a '50s BMovie. Easy to clean up.
* '''Technologically-aided obfuscation:''' The reverse of the previous syndrome -- an entire example with no mention of what story it's ''from'', but for a tiny link buried behind [[Franchise/StarTrek one character's]] name. Possibly they are laboring under the misapprehension that something ''more complicated'' must be ''better''. Easy to expand back into something readable without mousing over random words.
* '''Someone should totally look into that:''' "Does anyone remember a show called...?" "Wasn't there an episode where...?" An excellent question! Someone should totally look into that. Deleted! Besides, we have a page [[YouKnowThatShow just for this.]]
* '''Played straight and subverted:''' A mysterious piece of fluff stuck on the front of random examples. The cool thing is that if you take the time to decode it, it means: "something happens, unless it doesn't". Sometimes, it means "Played straight [here], then subverted [there] in the same work." In other words -- there are two (or more) examples from the same work. Sort out which one it is and make the appropriate correction; if it's cruft, cut it. If it's two different examples from the same work, separate them into two sub-bullets.
* '''How did we miss ...:''' Some individuals are addicted to sticking Administrivia/HowDidWeMissThisOne or SoYeah onto their examples like ugly verbal warts.
* '''Mind-boggling {{verbal tic}}s:''' Science cannot explain it, but certain tropers reflexively prepend "of course", "bear in mind" or "do note" (or in one terminal case: "of course, do bear in mind") to ''every single example they write''. Other examples include "Not to mention...", "Heck...", "Of all things", "Natch", and "Full stop". Just mention it or don't mention it. The preamble and/or epilogue don't help. Until a cure can be found, the best that can be hoped is that these people are tracked down and sent to the Troper Institution For Re-Education Using [[NoodleImplements Raspberry Jam And Live Marmosets]].
* ''' 'Subverted' as verbal chaff:''' Sticking "subverted by" (or worse yet, "semi-subverted" or "partially subverted") at the start of a paragraph is not a license to spend the rest of said paragraph noodling around on whatever topic randomly crosses your lobes. Nor is "subverted" a magical word that takes on whatever meaning you like, including "[[Administrivia/NotASubversion not actually subverted at all]]". See above re. "marmosets".
* '''This Example Is an Example:''' "X is an example" or "X is this." Well, yes, the reader can safely assume by the fact that you've chosen to include it in a list of examples of this trope that it is, in fact, an example of this trope. Entries written like this can virtually always be rephrased to just launch right into the context without taking time to establish its exampleness first.
* '''Unnecessary "clarification":''' "To clarify", "to expand", and "to elaborate" all look really clumsy in an article, especially when the troper who puts it in feels the need to create a new bullet for it. And even when merged into one paragraph, it makes it look like the wiki is arguing with itself. This falls under the Administrivia/RepairDontRespond umbrella.
* '''Administrivia/AboutRhetoricalQuestions:''' This isn't the author's fault. Rhetorical questions are a very useful device! Unfortunately, an explosion in a lead paint chips factory in Montana has left a fair chunk of the internet with the approximate IQ of a brain-damaged gibbon. If you pose a rhetorical question, or anything that could by the remotest stretch be interpreted as a rhetorical question, someone will [[RhetoricalQuestionBlunder respond to it seriously]] and then pat himself on the back (with his long, gibbon-like arms) for his amazing internet wit. The probability of this happening is 1. Do not write rhetorical questions.
* '''[[Administrivia/ExamplesAreNotArguable Justifying A Not-Quite-An-Example]]''': "Arguably", "quite possibly", "many believe", and the rest of their ilk are a sign that either the example may not be an example at all, and that the editor who added it knows that, deep in his[=/=]her[=/=]their heart of hearts; or that the editor is trying to slide a YMMV in on the main page instead of the YMMV tab. If the former appears to be the case, move the example to the discussion page with a request for clarification before it's restored. If the latter, move it to the YMMV tab.
* '''Hyperbolic comparatives:''' "X is built on this trope," "X is the quintessential example," "X is the SugarWiki/MostTriumphantExample," "If you thought that was great," "Bonus points for X", etc. Examples operate on their own merits, not in comparison with other examples. Calling something the "greatest X ever" is highly subjective, not to mention irrelevant. If you find yourself doing this, strip out all the fluff and just tell us what's going on.
* '''Positional comparatives:''' "Similarly," "Like the example above," "Unlike the previous example," "Speaking of [X]," "See [other trope]," etc. Tropes may be renamed; articles may be folderized or resorted; additional examples may be added between two adjacent ones; examples may be deleted. Even worse is when this type of referencing is used ''[[Administrivia/ZeroContextExample in place]]'' of a proper description. Avoid examples that reference other examples. If you're comparing two examples within a particular trope, consider rewriting them as a single example, or just don't compare them in the first place.
* '''Disparaging example phrasing:''' "[X] is guilty of this," "[X] is a particularly bad example," "[X] is one of the worst offenders," and other such phrases are some of the worst offenders and guilty of being Administrivia/{{complaining|AboutShowsYouDontLike}} whenever they show up. Nobody is going to weep if you remove them.
* '''Gratuitous Emoting''': Some tropers tend to write things like "[[NightmareFuel shudder]]", "[[TearJerker sniff]]", "[[NauseaFuel ew]]" or "[[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments aw]]" in the pages. These bursts of emotion will be promptly cleaned up as many of us have lost all semblance of human emotion. But don't worry; you'll find plenty of emotions in the page with the "YMMV" label. Hopefully.
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