History Administrivia / PeopleSitOnChairs

7th Apr '18 1:53:17 PM DragonQuestZ
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See also {{Consistency}} for the other aspect of defining a trope.

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See also {{Consistency}} for (for the other aspect of defining a trope.
trope), SquarePegRoundTrope (when something is not an example of an otherwise real trope).
7th Apr '18 1:52:04 PM DragonQuestZ
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If you are really, really, ''really'' sure that we need this one, try to connect it to something meaningful (which doesn't necessarily have to be an element of the plot; it can work if the trope counts as NarrativeFiligree or GarnishingTheStory). Or if you can identify several narrative purposes for an element, you can propose it as an index, like SeatedTropes. If not, you just need to accept that [[TropesThatWillNeverHappen/TooUniversal this trope page will never happen.]]

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If you are really, really, ''really'' sure that we need this one, try to connect it to something meaningful (which doesn't necessarily have to be an element of the plot; it can work if the trope counts as NarrativeFiligree or GarnishingTheStory). Or if you can identify several narrative purposes for an element, you can propose it as an index, like SeatedTropes.index. If not, you just need to accept that [[TropesThatWillNeverHappen/TooUniversal this trope page will never happen.]]


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Do not confuse with SeatedTropes (a list of legitimate tropes that just happen to involve sitting), or AvertedTrope (there is an actual trope; it just doesn't show up in a particular work).
4th Mar '18 1:00:55 PM lempamo
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{{Trope}}s are conventions used in storytelling to convey some sort of information to the audience. People Sit On Chairs don't convey any meaning -- they aren't storytelling conventions at all, they're just things that happen normally or incidentally during the storytelling. So if somebody is calling your idea on the Trope Launch Pad "Chairs" or "PSOC", this means they think your idea is about as meaningful as the discovery that various different shows portray [[TitleDrop people sitting on chairs]]: It doesn't matter how commonly it occurs, this is something that never carried any meaning to begin with, making it Administrivia/NotATrope.

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{{Trope}}s are conventions used in storytelling to convey some sort of information to the audience. People Sit On Chairs don't convey any meaning -- they aren't storytelling conventions at all, they're just things that happen normally or incidentally during the storytelling. So if somebody is calling your idea on the Trope Launch Pad "Chairs" a "chair" or "PSOC", this means they think your idea is about as meaningful as the discovery that various different shows portray [[TitleDrop people sitting on chairs]]: It doesn't matter how commonly it occurs, this is something that never carried any meaning to begin with, making it Administrivia/NotATrope.
27th Oct '17 6:07:24 PM Actua11y
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Note that the criticism here isn't simply that the trope in question is "too common" or "too broad", as Administrivia/NoTropeIsTooCommon. There are some extremely common {{cliche}}s, and OmnipresentTropes, that appear in fiction maybe even as frequently as chairs, but these are still storytelling devices. For instance there is TheCouch, another item people sit on, but given a purpose that correlates with [[StandardizedSitcomHousing the visual layout of house floorplans]].

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Note that the criticism here isn't simply that the trope in question is "too common" or "too broad", as Administrivia/NoTropeIsTooCommon. There are some extremely common {{cliche}}s, and OmnipresentTropes, that appear in fiction maybe even as frequently as chairs, but these are still storytelling devices. For instance instance, there is TheCouch, another item people sit on, but given a purpose that correlates with [[StandardizedSitcomHousing the visual layout of house floorplans]].



Note that for purposes of this page, it is assumed that all humans ''do'' sit on chairs, making this page itself an example of SmallReferencePools. In RealLife, one of the Basic Anthropological Divides is between people who sit at ground level-- carpet, tatami, cushion, the ground itself-- and people who sit above ground level-- chair, bench, snow-house shelf. If a character of the ground-sitter class doesn't grok chairs not understanding what they're for, perhaps, or adopting a peculiar sitting position in them because they get the idea of what a chair is for but haven't got the practise of using them down and the failure to grok carries meaning within the story, ''and'' this motif becomes widely- and consistently-used enough that sufficient examples can be enumerated, then ''perhaps'' the naming of a trope like '''Doesn't Grok Chairs''' could be justified. (Please note the important point that such a hypothetical trope would be focussed on a ''meaningful deviation'' from the universally standard behaviour rather than the universally standard behaviour itself.)

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Note that for purposes of this page, it is assumed that all humans ''do'' sit on chairs, making this page itself an example of SmallReferencePools. In RealLife, one of the Basic Anthropological Divides is between people who sit at ground level-- carpet, tatami, cushion, the ground itself-- and people who sit above ground level-- chair, bench, snow-house shelf. If a character of the ground-sitter class doesn't grok chairs not understanding what they're for, perhaps, or adopting a peculiar sitting position in them because they get the idea of what a chair is for but haven't got the practise practice of using them down and the failure to grok carries meaning within the story, ''and'' this motif becomes widely- and consistently-used enough that sufficient examples can be enumerated, then ''perhaps'' the naming of a trope like '''Doesn't Grok Chairs''' could be justified. (Please note the important point that such a hypothetical trope would be focussed on a ''meaningful deviation'' from the universally standard behaviour rather than the universally standard behaviour itself.)
8th Jul '17 5:59:44 PM Specialist290
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[[caption-width-right:350:[-'''Tropes''': {{Chiaroscuro}}, SlouchOfVillainy, SharpDressedMan, DarkIsEvil, DamnItFeelsGoodToBeAGangster\\
25th Jun '17 3:15:20 AM eroock
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Note that for purposes of this page, it is assumed that all humans ''do'' sit on chairs, making this page itself an example of SmallReferencePools. In RealLife, one of the Basic Anthropological Divides is between people who sit at ground level-- carpet, tatami, cushion, the ground itself-- and people who sit above ground level-- chair, bench, snow-house shelf. If a character of the ground-sitter class doesn't grok chairs not understanding what they're for, perhaps, or adopting a peculiar sitting position in them because they get the idea of what a chair is for but haven't got the practise of using them down and the failure to grok carries meaning within the story, ''and'' this motif becomes widely- and consistently-used enough that sufficient examples can be enumerated, then ''perhaps'' the naming of a trope like '''Doesn't Grok Chairs''' could be justified. (Please note the important point that such a hypothetical trope would be focussed on a ''meaningful deviation'' from the universally standard behaviour rather than the universally standard behaviour itself.)



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Note that for purposes of this page, it is assumed that all humans ''do'' sit on chairs, making this page itself an example of SmallReferencePools. In RealLife, one of the Basic Anthropological Divides is between people who sit at ground level-- carpet, tatami, cushion, the ground itself-- and people who sit above ground level-- chair, bench, snow-house shelf.

If a character of the ground-sitter class doesn't grok chairs not understanding what they're for, perhaps, or adopting a peculiar sitting position in them because they get the idea of what a chair is for but haven't got the practise of using them down and the failure to grok carries meaning within the story, ''and'' this motif becomes widely- and consistently-used enough that sufficient examples can be enumerated, then ''perhaps'' the naming of a trope like '''Doesn't Grok Chairs''' could be justified. (Please note the important point that such a hypothetical trope would be focussed on a ''meaningful deviation'' from the universally standard behaviour rather than the universally standard behaviour itself.)

But this comes under the heading of ''Bridges We'll Cross When And If We Ever Get To Them''. Yes, this is relevant to ''The Gods Must Be Crazy''; but employment in one work does not a trope make.
26th Feb '17 9:15:36 AM LupoCani
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If a character of the ground-sitter class doesn't grok chairs not understanding what they're for, perhaps, or adopting a peculiar sitting position in them because they get the idea of what a chair is for but haven't got the practise of using them down ''and'' the failure to grok carries meaning within the story, ''and'' this motif becomes widely- and consistently-used enough that sufficient examples can be enumerated, then ''perhaps'' the naming of a trope like '''Doesn't Grok Chairs''' could be justified. (Please note the important point that such a hypothetical trope would be focussed on a ''meaningful deviation'' from the universally standard behaviour rather than the universally standard behaviour itself.)

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If a character of the ground-sitter class doesn't grok chairs not understanding what they're for, perhaps, or adopting a peculiar sitting position in them because they get the idea of what a chair is for but haven't got the practise of using them down ''and'' and the failure to grok carries meaning within the story, ''and'' this motif becomes widely- and consistently-used enough that sufficient examples can be enumerated, then ''perhaps'' the naming of a trope like '''Doesn't Grok Chairs''' could be justified. (Please note the important point that such a hypothetical trope would be focussed on a ''meaningful deviation'' from the universally standard behaviour rather than the universally standard behaviour itself.)
2nd Feb '17 6:58:17 AM Fighteer
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One good sign of a People Sit On Chairs idea is if you can't think of any examples that have [[Administrivia/ZeroContextExample meaningful context]]. PersonalAppearanceTropes in particular are a constant source of this problem, connecting two things that are only coincidentally important or identifying a pattern that has no clear or consistent meaning or purpose. For this reason, [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13545690040A55560100 we've been trying to clean them up]].
20th Aug '16 10:05:15 AM MarkLungo
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->''While this has no plot bearing, Nanoha from ''Lyrical Nanoha'' is left-handed.''
-->'''Example from the now-deleted page "Everyone Is Right Handed" about ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'''''[[note]]which doesn't even have enough meaning to be TheSouthPaw.[[/note]]

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->''While ->''"While this has no plot bearing, Nanoha from ''Lyrical Nanoha'' is left-handed.''
-->'''Example
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-->--'''Example
from the now-deleted page "Everyone Is Right Handed" about ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'''''[[note]]which doesn't even have enough meaning to be TheSouthPaw.[[/note]]
1st Jul '16 8:01:12 PM Generalcamo
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If you're really not sure whether or not your YKTTW is People Sitting On Chairs, try asking "Administrivia/IsThisTropable"

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If you're really not sure whether or not your YKTTW idea on the Trope Launch Pad is People Sitting On Chairs, try asking "Administrivia/IsThisTropable"
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