This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Tanto: The semicolon indicates that the Trick Boss examples are two different enemies. "Flea's henchmonster" is the Juggler that casts MP Buster on you right before the fight with the real Flea.
Later: Guh! Again...
Peteman: Perhaps we should include "Fake Difficulty" for the Blackbird level, since despite the fact that all of you can cast spells or have in-built laser beams, until you get back your equipment, only Ayla can fight, and unless you have Ayla, you all automatically get captured if you run into an opponent, and if she gets offed, you all lose. Or is this a different trope?
- I'm fairly sure that's more like Gameplay & Story segregation, as I don't remember it being particularly hard.
Peteman: How is Someone Else's Problem here not Chronic Hero Syndrome?
Charred Knight: Just to clear up some confusion. Radical Dreamers was a side story that ended up telling what happened to Magus, and Schala, with Magus being Gil, and Kid being a reincarnated Schala. Eventually Kato decided to create the true sequel Chrono Cross, during the making Kato felt that the Gil subplot would be to0 complicated, so Magus was replaced by Guile, while Kid went from being Schala reincarnated to a clone Schala made with the real Schala having fused with Lavos. Both the PS Port, and the DS port treat Chrono Cross as the true sequel not Radical Dreamers. It's especially obvious when Schala is found fused with Lavos, where as in Radical Dreamers Kid was simply the Schala having been reduced to a baby by the Frozen Flame.
Tacitus: No Really, I'm serious about Dalton as the Destroyer of Guardia making sense. Let us consider:
- In 1000 A.D. as left in Chrono Trigger, Porre is all but indistinguishable from Guardia and run by a happy-go-lucky mayor. In 1005, they crush Guardia's military, raze Truce, storm the castle, and steal the Masamune. Either this is one of the most rapid rises to power ever accompanied by one hell of a mood swing, or (as Word of God confirms), they had help outside the time stream.
- None of the main cast would do such a thing, nor would the Gurus...but there is someone else hurled through a portal across time and space. Someone who in the DS remake was spotted in 1000 A.D., swearing revenge against the heroes. Someone with a massive grudge, huge ego, and aspirations of empire. Someone with long, flowing locks. Someone who burps as an attack.
- And the rest of the puzzle falls into place. The advanced Magitek displayed by Porre in Cross, including firearms, spellslingers, and robots? All found in ancient Zeal. The theft of the Masamune, a Melchior-made weapon known for its potency against spellcasters, is perhaps a security measure and effort to reclaim Zeal's relics. Even the adoption of the name "Black Wind" as a special forces unit is explained, due to the phrase's origin in Zeal.
- Now, all of these could be coincidences, but quite simply, Dalton had the motive, had the ability, had the hair, and was at the crime scene. Now all that's to be explained is how the CT cast let this happen...
Darth Howie: Yeah. That last part is the Wall Banger, since Dalton is a Harmless Villain at best. It's not the impossibility of it in terms of finding a logical route for it, it's the ridiculousness of it given how pathetic he is and how he says EXACTLY WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO and the cast LETS HIM GO.
mercaque: On the topic of Blue Oni, Red Oni, I'm deleting the following:
- Don't give me that (in the case of Marle and Lucca); you know damn well that if you were capable of doing so, you'd set things on fire with your mind all day and all night.
I'm not "giving you" anything. My understanding of the Red Oni, Blue Oni trope is that it describes certain personality types and the elements that are frequently associated with them. Lucca fits a Blue Oni personality type but uses fire. Marle fits a Red Oni personality type but uses ice. Of course, it's also completely possible that I'm not correctly reading your tone or misunderstanding what you mean, and I apologize if that's the case.
BritBllt: Removing these two...
- Fridge Brilliance: Once the shocked disbelief fades, Dalton as the destroyer of Guardia kinda makes sense. No, really!
- Except for part about him declaring war on Chrono, Marle, and Lucca's doorstep that is.
- Not really think about he did vow to get revenge when you defeated him, and he also has the ambition to rule over the the world.
- It's not a question of ambition so much as ability. Are we supposed to believe that Chrono, Lucca, and Marle could not repel a villain they have already utterly dominated three times in the past? Yes, he has an army now but... well, he had an army before, too. And an airship. And a bunch of monsters. And he still lost.
- [spoiler: Obviously, he and army did a lot of Level Grinding before attacking Guardia.]]
- Melchior wanted to buy Marle's pendant...so he was trying to stop that time warp in the square from happening, wasn't he?
- He thought it was a regular pendant. Once he got a good look at it he said he couldn't buy it, and to keep it safe.
- No he thought it was Schala's pendant, you find out when you go to Zeal that Schala's pendant and Merle's pendant one in the same. That's how the characters are able to power it up, you can only do it after you talk to the citizen you says that the two pendants look alike.
- Fridge Logic: as pointed out in one Let's Play, what powers the Enertron devices?
- Also, what's the point of Magus' army destroying Zenan Bridge? Weren't they trying to reach the other side? And don't they have magical flying abilities anyway?
- Magus's aim isn't conquest. He just needs the human nation off his back while he summons Lavos to destroy it — and fails.
- Also, what's the point of Magus' army destroying Zenan Bridge? Weren't they trying to reach the other side? And don't they have magical flying abilities anyway?
The first one is pretty much just pimping the DS Dalton plot twist via the Fridge Brilliance trope, the entry's already devolving into Broken Base natter (pretty predictable, since Fridge Brilliance is such a subjective trope), and Dalton already gets a mention under Not So Harmless anyway. Fridge Brilliance has a Video Games page, so if Dalton is someone's personal example, it should really be listed there.
The Fridge Logic entries are less controversial, but the trope itself is still subjective and Chrono Trigger already has a Just Bugs Me page. Anything under the Fridge Logic trope would be better off there.
Allan Aokage: Added a section which says which tropes this game has named. Having three at the very least seems to be enough to qualify for it.
