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Working Title: Rename Uchiha Syndrome: From YKTTW
DieHardI'm not sure if this would be an appropriate example, so I'm going to post it here first.
- Real life example: Many, many people in the United States seem to have little concept of culture outside of North America. This is rarely the case in other countries, where a much larger percentage of the media stems from other countries (much of it being the United States, for that matter).
HeartBurn Kid: I don't think it's a particularly good example, and it seems rather flamey and unfair (quick, UK tropers: who's the Prime Minister of Canada?)
Charred Knight: That's more about America having an excellent entertainment industry, and unil the 80's the television did not have enough channels to need outside entertainment.
Ununnilium: It's not an example of this trope. The North American entertainment industry isn't a fictional character, and there's no author focusing on it to the exclusion of others.
- Some fans of Super Sentai have criticized the latest series, Engine Sentai Go-onger, for focusing too much on the Green and Black Rangers (who didn't even become part of the team until the second episode.)
...who said that? Red, Blue and Yellow get their share of focus eps.
- That's how it was supposed to be. X was shoehorned in by the higher-ups at the last second, who were concerned that the players wouldn't recognize Zero as Megaman.
I would absolutely LOVE to see the source that came from.
HeartBurn Kid: Don't remember where, but I did read something similar at some point — that Zero was basically the original character design for X, and the execs forced them to do a different design that was closer to the original Megaman. Then again, I also read (somewhere else) that Zero was originally going to be a fembot, hence the "boob-lights".
Ununnilium:
just not quite in the same manner like Yu-Gi-Oh GX has done in season 3 where Judai had turned to the dark side and possibly season 4, where Judai becomes cynical as a result of "growing up".
This is a deconstruction of The Ace, not an example of this trope.
- This is also true to a lesser extent for Daisuke and Ken of Digimon Adventure 02, for Yamato and Taichi of Digimon Adventure, and for Masaru and Touma of Digimon Savers.
I'm gonna disagree on 02 and Adventure, at least (I haven't seen more than the beginning of Frontier, or any of Savers). It's so much lesser an extent that it doesn't really fit here.
Why wasn't Cyclops in X-Men 3? (This probably shouldn't be here, but better here than in the main body of the article)
- Yep, James Marsden went off to do Superman Returns. Fox then rushed the schedule of X-Men 3 so it could compete with Superman Returns. Bad luck for Jimmy. Except...
- Superman Returns had a long break in filming. Okay, three weeks may not sound long, but Sir Ian Mc Kellen filmed his (major) role in X-Men 3 in 18 days. Cyclops is not a character who requires fancy make-up, prostheses or physical effects, and given that he keeps most of his face covered most of the time it wouldn't have been hard to use a double for long shots and action sequences. This, of course, is fanwank, but then factor in the next part...
- Zak Penn (one of the writers of X-Men 3) has stated that when he was asked to write the script he was told to leave out Cyclops completely. The studio apparently didn't want him in there, and he had to lobby to get even a small role for the guy who should (says the entitled fanboy) have been at the centre of the story. There are several possible reasons for this decision from the top, but the most likely are:
- Cyclops just isn't as popular as Wolverine. But then, who is?
- James Marsden isn't a big star. Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry, on the other hand, are.
- The previous two films had largely centred on Wolverine. Changing direction at this point would be disconcerting. I mean, we all saw how Terminator 3 went down with no Sarah Connor.
- Petty revenge. Those dirty hateful executives wanted to punish Marsden for daring to work with their competitor. This one would be slightly more plausible if they hadn't welcomed Halle Berry back with open arms (and a bigger role) after she did Catwoman.
- I'd welcome her back after ruining a movie for my compition.
- Story logic: At the ending battle, all that would have been necessary had Cyclops been there would have been him saying "Get behind me", pulling off his visor, and blasting everyone except Phoenix, Magneto, and Juggernaut into the bay. Which actually would have been better, in this troper's never-humble opinion.
Gloating Swine: Given their lack of plot involvement, lines, or strong personality, I'd question how much Vaan and Penelo in Final Fantasy XII are a spotlight stealing squad. They don't really steal the spotlight away from intended main characters, they are the main characters, but the game is presented as a Lower-Deck Episode, which people weren't expecting and got picked up by the Unpleasable Fanbase as something to criticise.
Steel Beast 6 Beets: This has more to do with the fact that people can't tell the difference between a point of view character and a main character. Sometimes gamers are indeed morons.
To the best of my knowledge: Ashe is the main character, Vaan is the point of view character, Basch is the main lead and Balthier claims to be the main lead but he's in more of a supporting role like Fran pointed out somewhere in the game.
- The newly-introduced Green Arrow, Black Canary and The Question took over a disproportionate number of episodes of Justice League Unlimited.
I'd disagree. How many episodes were they in? Surely less than any of the original 7.
The Herald: And surely far more than any of the other Loads And Loads Of Characters that became part of the team at the same time they did, but almost always sat in the background in non-speaking, unimportant roles while GA, Canary, and the Question got repeated Character Focus. This fan was rather hoping to see some other characters step up, like personal favorite the female Dr. Light getting to say more than 2 incidental lines in 2 episodes...
- Apparently it's a rule that only live Uchiha are evil, Itachi just died, and was apparently not evil. Sasuke, however, has switched from being The Rival to a full blown Well-Intentioned Extremist, so it's all even.
Doesn't really have anything to do with the trope.
That Other 1 Dude: OK, it doesn't matter that "Uchiha Syndrome" was the original name (both here and the Naruto article). It doesn't mean anything because that was a really stupid name, and it's not worth preserving the memory of in any way.
Charred Knight: You need to calm down and not trun General Ripper on two words, also its a perfectly good name since the Uchiha are an example. For a group of three people, they get way to much screen time, and keep it from the other characters.
That Other 1 Dude: No, it's not a good name just because it's an example.
Steel Beast 6 Beets: Ok, that's stupid as hell. By that mind-numbingly moronic "logic", half of the tropes have "bad" names just because they're named after the biggest or most well-known examples.
I'll put that back. If you disagree with me, feel free to delete it. After all, edit wars and the posibility of more edit wars in the future is one of the few reasons of why I keep visiting this place. —-
Doyle: Romana II expressed romantic interest in the Doctor? When did that happen? (There's chemistry, certainly - the actors were married at the time they were making the series - but that's true of a lot of companions, it doesn't make it canon.)
Danel: It's definitely a fanon thing, but it's not really there in the canon. The Sarah Jane example is weirder, I'd say, because it was more of a retcon added in School Reunion to make it seem as if companions had always been a semi-romantic thing.
- arromdee: I took it out. Glad to see someone else sees the problems with it. And to me the Sarah Jane example is a complete Running the Asylum moment, as writing a ship into the series is exactly what you'd expect an out-of-control fan to do.
Why isn't this trope a Subjective Trope? If it is, whatever, but if it isn't a lot of the examples here are just weird. Some are plain incoherent, and I'm going to pull them.
Bob: Cutting Natter, non-examples and an Alternate Character Interpretation.
- Inverted in Final Fantasy XII, in which the main character and his friend are literally just along for the ride: They have no importance to the plot and later on hardly have any lines! The other, more focused-on, characters of the party are much more interesting.
- Made worse by the fact that the Guest Star Party Members are more interesting, drive the plot almost single-handedly, and are more Bad Ass than all the main characters combined, with the possible exception of Balthier.
- And Basch. Ne'er gainsay his badassery.
- The fact that Lhasa gets the same amount of hatred than Vaan and Penelo begs to differ.
- The main character was intended as a literal empty shell for the player to give life to, a Joe Everyman observer drawn into the conflict. This wasn't taken very well by the fanbase, who are used to leads in the series (for better or worse) having strong personalities.
- It's worth pointing out that Basch was originally supposed to be the main character, but the creators shied away from this when they considered how Ashley Riot, a similar character, never caught on with the masses. Despite this, they still put Basch's Evil Twin, whose identity he adopts at the end on the box. Vaan was a second-tier party member — akin to Cath Sith, Irvine or Quina — who was shoehorned into the main character slot because Japanese girls love androgynous bishies. As his (admittedly likeable) best friend, Penelo got promoted alongside him.
- Well, the two end up getting their own game, actually starring in it, in a sequel for the DS anyway. But you have Penelo who ends up getting more shine several points in-game, so still woe for Vaan.
- This just seems trend a trend for the "Ivalice" development crew at SquareEnix: Witness Final Fantasy Tactics, where you control the character who, despite saving the world pretty much singlehandedly, is branded a heretic and goes into hiding, presumed dead at the end.
- You think the main character of Final Fantasy Tactics had it bad? Think back to any of the other characters. Now try to remember how many lines they got after joining your party (hint: practically zero.) Nobody else notices they're on your party, even (which in the case of a few, like Orlando, is really really hard to believe; This Troper really wanted to get reaction shots from those random bandits, bounty hunters, and stuff where they attack your party, only to realize they've just attacked the most famously powerful knight in the kingdom.) And your former temple knight has nothing to say about all the religious stuff?
- The PSP version, War Of The Lions, tries to correct this via new special missions for each character (except the crossovers, Cloud, Balthier, and Luso.) One such mission has bandits react with horror when they see Thunder God Cid among their foes' ranks, but their leader quickly reminds them that Cid was supposedly killed much earlier. Another one has Agrias deliver the infamous Chekhov's Gun to Ovelia for her own protection.
- Made worse by the fact that the Guest Star Party Members are more interesting, drive the plot almost single-handedly, and are more Bad Ass than all the main characters combined, with the possible exception of Balthier.
- Something similar to that happens in Final Fantasy X: Yuna really is the main character and Tidus, despite being the character you control, is really just another hanger-on. Of course, he is also the male lead, so he's not entirely unimportant...
- Tidus is also a Deus ex Machina, as the manifestation of the combined will of all the Fayth and summoners of Zanarkand, and the only one (along with Jecht) capable of altering Spira's destiny by actually destroying Sin, so YMMV as to who the main character is.
Sara: Going to argue the Ash in the 9th movie example. It could be seen as spotlight snatching, but his locking May in a capsule was definitely for her and the Pokemons' safety. Keep in mind this is Hoenn!Ash, who's remarkably more mature and less of a glory hog than original series!Ash.
Metarius: Already deleted, but I found the Furukawa Nagisa example (Clannad) to be immature and not well-written - she is the main character and fully deserves the screentime she deserve - if anything, it can be argued that there is excessive usage of the other characters.
Mr. Jack: Removed:
- Season 3 of Avatar The Last Airbender might as well have been called "The Aang and Zuko Show."
Because...really? I can name a few episodes offhand that centered around Katara's character ("The Painted Lady," "The Puppetmaster," and "The Southern Raiders") and Sokka's ("Sokka's Master" and, to a lesser extent, "The Boiling Rock")—heck, even Toph, despite having a smaller role compared to what she had in the previous season, had an episode centered around her character ("The Runaway") which Katara also played a big part of. Aang and Zuko might have had more screentime if you totaled it up, but only because they're the main players of the story—and even then, the season was awfully generous to sharing its screentime with the other mains.
Some Sort Of Troper: The fact that it is already "The Aang show" makes the complaint humerous. That and the fact that I can't spell humourous.
