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Working Title: Hide the Booze: From YKTTW
Well, there it is. Essentially just the YKTTW with formatting and minor spelling/grammar. -Dareon
Man Called True: Are we certain about the Phoenix Wright example? The first translations I saw for Apollo Justice (gods, that name...) gave it as "grape juice" as well.
That Other 1 Dude: Thanks to whoever remembered that Tales Of Symphonia quote. I can't believe I forgot that.
Puck: Is this actually a Narrative Device? It doesn't seem like it quite belongs on that list...
Prfnoff: Restored a number of things deleted without explanation by Ninjacrat.
Tanto: I imagine the explanation was that they, by and large, were Conversation In The Main Page and awkward Justifying Edits.
Devil's Advocate: Removed a couple of false examples: Speed Racer (2008 movie), as the winner drinking milk is a real-life tradition in the Indianapolis 500; Prince Caspian (book), as Bacchus does produce wine, as a commenter noted.
HeartBurn Kid:
- Ah, but iced tea in question is not normal ice tea, it is long island ice tea, dropping out the long island part to make it look kid friendly
Pointless Justifying Edit. Bahleeted... err, Delteated... Deltaco?
...wine technically IS grape juice, right? I don't really see a problem with calling calling red rouge here.
Sean Tucker: Nuked:
- Code Geass: In the original version of episode 3, Rivalz brings a bottle of champagne to a student council party, and Shirley tries to take it from him because they're underage. In the English dub, Rivalz brings out the bottle claiming it to be sparkling cider, and Shirley tries to get a closer look at the bottle because she doesn't believe it's really non-alcoholic.
- Which this troper found quite odd in this case as in American airings, the dub airs during a late night time slot, where it's the usual belief that only older audiences will be up to watch. Regardless, of original Japanese or not, it wasn't meant for younger people anyway.
It doesn't fit the trope, as the change in the English dub isn't a bowdlerising edit; the mention of alcohol is still there. It seems more like a Woolseyism since whoever dubbed it didn't like the original dialogue.
The Anti Elite: Stupid question, because this may have changed, and it may not - in World of Warcraft, it used to be that being drunk not only made you get blurry, and -sh and *hic* when you talked...but made it so you couldn't walk in a straight line, and the normal 'conning' of monsters started throwing bogus results; a level 60 would show up, for example, as level 8 or 9. Did that get patched out, or was I just the only one who noticed?
- Great Limmick: I don't know about any of that, but I've seen someone try to fly a gryphon while drunk. He was not going in a straight line.
Trouser Wearing Barbarian: Removed the Gundam Wing example, as it has nothing to do with Bowdlerization.
- In the final episode of Gundam Wing, Duo says that they'll break out the champagne after the big battle is over, and Quatre replies "sounds good, but make it non-alcoholic". Yes, this was in the original Japanese, and Quatre has been fairly strongly implied to be a Muslim.
I want to add this, but I'm not sure how to word it when it's not an example at all. —Document N
- Devil's Advocate: I don't think it really applies to this trope, because it is possible to get drunk on water, which the speaker is likely referring to. (Note: DO NOT try this. With alcohol, there's a decent safety cushion between "drunk" and "dead." Not so much with water.)
Motion to split out a "parodies and fictional examples" section. —Document N
Dorcas_Aurelia: The Azumanga Daioh example should be removed, as it has nothing to do with censorship, but rather is a joke based on the characters slightly unusual responses to an inquiry if they want juice.
- Not to mention the fact that the main characters are all Child Soldiers....
(Naruto) Don't see how this applies to the example. >>
- Heat Strokes, heat strokes, but still a Macekre.
(One Piece) ...what?
- Obviously, Product Placement was actually needed here.
(In the The Batman example.) Another one I don't get.
- Somewhat inverted in El Goonish Shive: Grace goes to get some soda from the fridge, and accidentally gets beer instead.
Not really an example.
- In Tranformers Energon, two human characters toast with "sparkling grape juice".
- Shloer (a brand of sparkling grape juice) happens to be one of this troper's favourite drinks, thankyouverymuch. It comes in pseudo-posh bottles and would work perfectly well for toasting.
- This troper knows several people who use sparkling grape juice as a wine substitute when minors are involved.
- This troper's college was a dry campus, and several of the school traditions involved goblets which we inevitably filled with sparkling grape juice. If only she'd thought to keep one bottle from her freshman year for use her senior year...
Not An Example, then.
- In Japan, things are kept simple; pretty much any cold beverage is called "juice", from tea to soda to (possibly even) beer.
- Not even remotely true with my observations. It is just as common, if not more so, that they will request specific drinks. And I've never heard beer referred to as juice.
- Isn't coffee likely to be the refreshment you'd get at a Cafe?
- In France, most bars are called "Cafe", and a refreshment is something cold. While it could be Iced tea or another non-alcoholic beverage, it becomes unlikely when the character who says that happens to be a hunky sailor...
- Possibly because in some places (Britain, for one) "cider" refers exclusively to the hard kind.
- I have an American friend who came over to the UK for University and was not aware that Scrumpy was alcoholic until his fourth pint. He's a smoker which must explain why he couldn't taste the alcohol, which IS noticeable: Scrumpy is a traditional West Country cloudy cider variety, anywhere between between six and nine per cent alcohol by volume (typically 7.5%). Our Imperial pints are also 20% larger than American Pints. We had to carry him home.
- In Sweden, there used to be "Non-Alcoholic Cider", however, due to European Union regulations it is no longer allowed to be named as such and is no called something as ridiculous as "Apple Drink with Cider characteristics".
- And it can be quite entertaining when the cider-companies tries to show it's really cider, like writing "APPLE drink with CIDER characteristics" on the bottle and such...
- In France, nobody ever speaks of non-alcoholic cider. French "soft" cider only contains less alcohol.
- Phoenix's predilection towards grape juice in wine bottles could be an elaborate ruse. Consider that he's playing poker. Consider that people play poker worse when drunk. Now consider the advantages of playing against an opponent who thinks you're drunk.
- In Japan, things are kept simple; pretty much any cold beverage is called "juice", from tea to soda to (possibly even) beer.
Conversation In The Main Page.
Anomaly: Removed the Avatar example, because it's not an example. It's Mushroom Samba, and already has an entry on that page.
Great Limmick: Just saw an episode of the Oban Star Racers dub where pilot Eva/Molly orders what appears to be her seventh "grenadine milk", and the bartender warns her not to "drink milk and drive". Anyone know what the original dialogue was?
Ulti S.: * In the first Anita Blake Vampire Hunter book, Guilty Pleasures, Anita drinks has a standing arrangement with the bartender to serve her Orange Juice and pretend it's a screwdriver, so that she can get information from patrons without compromising her awareness or her teetotaling principles.
This isn't censorship.
Moved the Bible example to Literature. The other example under Religion isn't really related to the trope so I'm leaving it here.
- The temperance movement, with it's heterodox view of wine, is the main force behind current censorship rules regarding alcohol, and even this entire trope. Indirectly, it's childish desire to Ban Evil Things - rather than teach adult self-control - is also tied to an ever-expanding range of censorship and substance control measures that the Puritans themselves would have despised.
furbearingbrick: see, see? Told ya so.
JET 73 L: In a wish to undo some of what seemed like senseless cutting on the Troper Tales page, while (hopefully) averting what could easily become and edit war and allowing the original poster to elaborate:
- Six lieters in less than one hour, of Dew nonetheless. I thought I was going to die from exploded heart. (literally!)
- The LD 50 of caffeine is 192 mg/kg. Six liters of Mountain Dew contains 929.89 milligrams of caffeine. Unless you contain less than 5 kilograms of mass, that's nowhere near a fatal amount.
- Six lieters in less than one hour, of Dew nonetheless. I thought I was going to die from exploded heart.
- Six lieters in less than one hour, of Dew nonetheless. I thought I was going to die from a literally exploded heart.
- The LD 50 of caffeine is 192 mg/kg. Six liters of Mountain Dew contains 929.89 milligrams of caffeine. Unless you contain less than 5 kilograms of mass, that's nowhere near a fatal amount.
Shrikesnest: Cut the following:
- Being the paragon of family friendliness and astute Moral Guardian that he is, Brian Jacques would never allow deceptions of alcohol consumption in his books, let alone extreme drunkenness by the good guys or alcohol consumption by minors, just in the same way he would never allow vast amounts of graphic violence, ludicrously one sided battles, Always Chaotic Evil Races with Unfortunate Implications, scary bits or any story that implies that Violence Really Is the Answer. Oh Wait.
Give me a break.
Shrikesnest: Okay, and I had to zap it again. De Vos, care to explain why you keep adding it back in? This isn't the place to complain about authors you don't like, okay?
Cambdoranononononono: Removing Tamora Pierce because, as mentioned, alcohol is explicitly consumed by other characters. The heroines ordering juice and such is more of a Drink Order than this trope.
