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H. Torrance Griffin: Pulled/edited to avoid Conversation In The Main Page.
- Many fans of Ranma 1/2 regard Mousse to be this as pertains to Shampoo. Others wonder how this guy differs from Kuno aside from being (slightly) less delusional and considerably more dangerous. The final adventure of the manga gives them their answer, as Mousse finds himself in a position to magically enslave Shampoo to his will... and instead reflects the spell to make her the master of herself. Something you could not expect of Kuno.
Point taken, indeed he is one of the few in the series that gets any real Character Development. That being said he has been stalking her almost since they could walk and does not have her excuse of mixed messages toward him or any ambuguity on her feelings for his rival.
Solandra: If I heard correctly, there's actually an episode in the Ranma 1/2 anime where an amulet that turns love into hate causes Shampoo to beat up Ranma and Mousse, which indicates that she does have some feelings for Mousse. Of course, this could just be a case of Adaptation Decay, but still, some fans will be inclined to think of Mousse in a favorable light so that Shampoo can be paired with him and out of the way of Ranma and Akane's love. (Which would be far, far better than the manga ending where nothing is resolved.)
H. Torrance Griffin: I see the reasoning, but I do not see where falling out of the blue for a guy she has been trying to drive off for a decade is a requirement for Shampoo to decide Ranma is not worth the bother and/or would be happier with Akane and put her efforts into getting out of the Accidental Marriage while saving face.
Korgmeister: I am really tempted to strip out those real life examples. It just encourages people. Doing this sort of crap in Real Life is a bad idea and pretty much Truth in Television for Love Makes You Dumb. I know there's exceptions, but everyone thinks they're going to be one of those exceptions. And frankly I'm all in favour of encouraging more healthy behaviour, like seeking out someone else who is actually interested in you. Note: 25/08/2008 Well, the new addition of the Troper Tales category gave me just the excuse I needed to clear that crap out of the main entry. And damn did it feel good!
Frank75: This trope needs some better explanation. Maybe it's because I'm no native English speaker, but I still don't get the point. I thought it was just about guys who love a woman but never are successful in their pursuit, but some people seem to think differently. "This is probably because most of the actions typical of this trope are actually disturbingly stalkerish if you think about them." Could someone define that better? What these stalkerish actions actually are? Maybe the troper who wrote it?
Whatever: Okay, so a lot of the problems with this trope that are targeted in deconstructions are along these lines - that the Dogged Nice Guy pretends to be her friend or pretends to be nice, when that's really just his method of getting in her pants since he's too shy to actually ask her out, and then he'll complain about how she only likes jerks. However, I do see a lot of examples around that avert this - Xander really did enjoy being friends with Buffy, and continued to do so long after his feelings for her were over, as did Smallville's Chloe Sullivan with Clark. And both of them actually did come out about their feelings quite early on, same with 10 Things I Hate About You's Joseph Gordon-Levitt and True Blood's Sam. Anyway, I think we need to change the page description to explain the different variants.
Furiko Maru: Hmmm... I don't think the Say Anything example holds water. A girl being practically ordered to break up with a boy she cares for deeply, resulting in the guy trying to win her back? I thought part of the Dogged Nice Guy trope was that the girl wasn't interested.
Sara: I don't think Aang really fits this trope. He doesn't display the traits of the obsessive stalker, plus Katara doesn't outright reject him and is even shown possibly returning his feelings at several times during the show. The closest he ever came to this trope was the rejected kiss scene in "Ember Island Players".
Whatever: I'm taking out Xander - he didn't know if Buffy liked him or not for the first season, asked her out in the finale, and when she said no and that she didn't have feelings for him, he pretty much stopping pursuing her right then. His feelings didn't go away for another season or two, but I don't recall seeing him ever make a play for her heart again.
