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Working Title: Bittersweet Ending: From YKTTW

Uknown Troper: I'm removing Terranigma due to trope conflict: It's not only put in Downer Ending, but in Shoot the Shaggy Dog as well — and personally, this troper did get a depression attack after learning that you've basically killed yourself and all your friends just to keep the bad guy from screwing destiny.

K: Edited the Animorphs entry, since Jake says flat-out in #53, "You know I love you," and even suggests he and Cassie get married.

Zef: Final Fantasy VI? Really? The game makes it a POINT to show how life is returning to the world after Kefka's domination is over, with the children of Mobliz coming out to play, the baby being born, the seeds blooming in Kohlingen (where before, they never sprouted,) and doves flying all over the place. Final Fantasy VI's world may be in ruins prior to the end, but the narrative goes to great lengths to show how it will all recover in due time.
Dentaku: That Chrono Crusade example is ridiculously long. Can't it be cut down somewhat?

Native Jovian: Done and done.
Dentaku: I removed the Grave of the Fireflies example, since it's as down a Downer Ending as they come - nothing sweet about it. It was also horrendously written.
Danel: Is this just overall endings, or can season finales count as well? If so, I'd add the example of Avatar's first season, which I think counts as this.
Novium: How can casablanca not be on here? tsk. Also, is it possible/what do you guys think about maybe breaking this up into pages by medium, like is done for nightmare fuel? It's getting very, very long.

Etrangere: I kind of want to break it up by the different kinds of bittersweet endings, actually.
Whatever: I'm not sure whether to put the original ending to The Descent in here or Downer Ending. Basically, Sarah's gone crazy, she's murdered Juno, her escape was just a dream when she got knocked out, and she's no longer even trying to get out. Up until the last thirty seconds, she'd lost every inch of love and compassion, parallels had been drawn between her and the cave monsters. But at the end she hallucinates her dead daughter and chooses to stay down there with her. So she's may be a crazy-ass murderer who will shortly be dead, but hey, she looks kinda peaceful and it would appear taking her rage out on Juno allowed her to get her humanity back. Sorry that was so long. Thoughts?
Servbot: Removed this part of the Wild ARMs entry:

The second game's ending is only not thought of as bittersweet because of the interference of Lord Blazer at the end, which lets the heroes kill a real evil guy, and lets the players forget that the heroes just destroyed an entire universe to save their own.

Because the troper apparently missed the constantly mentioned fact that said universe was essentially an Eldritch Abomination that only exists to eat other dimensions (and in fact, the dragons were refugees from a dimension that it had previously consumed).

Masami Phoenix: Removed Pan's Labyrinth from the list (article below) as Guillermo made it quite clear that the fairy world is NOT her imagination, as she uses magical tools given to her to do things she otherwise could not have done at all, so when she died, she shed her mortal form and truly joined the fey world.
  • Guillermo Del Toro LOVES this trope in his Spanish movies. Pan's Labyrinth ends with Mercedes killing the Captain and taking his son away. Which was way cool. And, as she dies of a gunshot wound, Ofelia dreams that she returns to fairy family she imagined definitely speaks to this trope.

Orihime: Removed the Tenchi Muyo example, for being only a Tenchi in Tokyo bas fest. If you hate it so much, bitch in Dethroning Moment of Suck and not here. *

Sotanaht: Why does this article, unlike nearly all other ending and death tropes, use spoiler tags? There really should simply be a Spoiler Warning, and then only the spoilers unrelated to the Bittersweet Ending should be tagged. As it is, it is rather painful to read.

Eakin: Agreed, and since nobody has bothered to argue I'm removing the spoiler tags from the article and putting a warning in at the top

Shay Guy: What's really so bad about the spoiler tags? Yes, it's an ending trope, but there are still people who look at the page out of curiosity, but still don't want to know any plot details about the endings of certain works. Or want to look at an entry for one specific one without having to be afraid of getting spoiled for others. What reason is there to not include them aside from "screw those people, I don't like having to put them in?" A blanket warning is good, but it's meant as an extra caution for the readers, not as a license for editors to leave out spoiler tags and justify it by saying "if they get spoiled, it's their own damn fault now."
Vampire Buddha: Removed the Pirates of the Caribbean example, because the ridiculous amount of natter indicated that it wasn't an example. Also, there was a ridiculous amount of natter.

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