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Author: NimmerStill
Oct 23rd 2012
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1:13:22 PM
^No, it also says that women *were behaving that way* in part *because of their circumstances* in a colonial setting. (And immigration because of jobs as per the railroads is a flip side to the same coin.) Now, perhaps psychological intimidation isn't the point (although that was suggested by the other article), but the fact remains that the colonial situation may have affected their behavior as well as the Westerners' perceptions. And even if that weren't the case, the fact remains that my source establishes that Western perceptions of Asian women were colored by the colonial circumstance. That immediately calls into question whether their perception has anything to do with YamatoNadeshiko or any similar native trope among the Chinese or other East Asians. You say you used your source as an example of why this trope has elements exclusive to Western domination of Asian culture? Did you miss a negative there? I thought that was my point. In any case, I didn't see where your source said that, but mine did. And again, yes, portrayal of the role of Asian women in Western works seems to be different than their natively Western counterparts, and that calls for explanation. Again, the current description suggests that we can safely say that the difference has its origins in the difference between the native cultures of the East vs. West, viz, that YamatoNadeshiko and ProperLady are importantly different, or perhaps that Westerners abandoned ProperLady earlier, and more completely, than Easterns (if they did at all) abandoned YamatoNadeshiko. I say no; that is not certain at all. It could be that the two standards are inherently much more similar than works give them credit for, way too similar to account for their different portrayals. I say a much more viable explanation is that the colonial situation implanted in Westerners' minds an image of Asian women much *more* submissive either than (a) they really are, or (b) Western women are perceived to be. And the incorrect perception of the origin does legitimize the trope, and you have to look at each case in turn. My point is that to claim that China Doll owes its existence to that of YamatoNadeshiko is offensive unless it's true, so we have to be careful before we say that. In the case of ScaryBlackMan, we'd want to similarly ask if it has its origins in some real cultural "Thug Life" standard. Now as far as I can see, the description doesn't claim that anyway, but if it did, you'd want to check if that was true. Another point about "Thug Life" is that that cultural norm emerged in an already cultural situation: a minority group descended from a population forced into its circumstances by colonialism. So therefore it can be argued that the dominant culture is responsible for the entire existence of "Thug Life", and the ScaryBlackMan trope is that culture's response to the circumstance that they themselves created. As long as this is all mentioned, there is no problem in such a description. And for your last point, I remember that. I think it would be nice to get a page specifically for that trope, which I'm sure has some name in Chinese. I guess its main exponents would be media produced and consumed mainly in China itself.
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