Long time without replying (since the show's off the air I've not had much reason to visit here), but the reason I removed it was because it came off as incredibly unnecessary rambling, and to my knowledge we're not in the habit of 'disproving' fan theories when noting them. I felt that just saying 'its not been acknowledged as canon though' was clearer to the point without rambling.
Also I think the given reasons don't really make sense. Its not necessarily a secret so there's no reason Gary being unable to keep one matters if its just never actually relevant. Not liking someone in the present doesn't mean one hasn't slept with them in the past (its where non-amicable exes come from; hell its entirely plausible that sleeping with him is why Sara doesn't like him). Having a big crush on one particular woman doesn't mean he's not attracted to others; its a common plot for a nerdy awkward guy to have unrequited feelings for a particular woman, but that doesn't stop them having less-serious relations with other women. It just didn't make a good case for why these particular things disprove the theory.
Is Ray really that much of a scrappy? I've mostly seen people enjoy him messing up. I think he is more of a base breaker.
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I would lean towards base breaker as well. He does screw up but not in a cringe worthy fashion most of the time.
The small detail in the Author's Saving Throw description regarding Wally joining (which I'll declare I added originally), and noted that for many Barry is a Replacement Scrappy in this regard. Its been removed twice but I disagree with the reasoning, or at least feel the reasoning is misunderstanding why its in place.
Firstly, its referring to Wally and Barry all across mediums and incarnations, not just the CW universe, which may be misunderstood with regards to this.
The second removal cited that Wally wasn't introduced yet as reason why its not a Replacement Scrappy, but as Wally was the Flash when many important stories and concepts were introduced (the Speed Force, Zoom, Savitar, among others), the show using those concepts but replacing Wally with Barry would make Barry the replacement, and for many, he's a very inferior version.
That fits the description of Replacement Scrappy.
I'll concede that including the point isn't really important in any way, and as said, it *is* regarding Barry and Wally across the different incarnations. If its believed that this should only discuss aspects relevant to this particular version, then I'll concede that and not touch it. If there's a more appropriate trope describing adaptations replacing the main character with a weaker character, that would suffice better.
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The problem is people aren't hating on Barry for taking traits and plots from Wally. Barry actually had an inter-continuity version of Rescued from the Scrappy Heap since in the comics he was deemed a Creator's Pet who didn't deserve the focus he got.
Replacement Scrappy usage needs to reflect a majority opinion and given that CW Barry is a Breakout Character that really doesn't fit. I'm sure there are some fans out there who wish all this was given to Wally in the first place, but this isn't a problem for the wide fandom. Putting Replacement Scrappy link on Barry makes it sound he's reviled by the fandom as a whole for stealing Wally's place.
There's also the fact that CW Wally is quite a divisive Base-Breaking Character to begin with. So it's not really accurate to say he's near-universally preferred over Barry.
If you really feel it's necessary, you could include a Replacement Scrappy entry on The Flash (2014) for Barry, but it needs to made clear that this isn't a majority opinion.
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Well, firstly, I'd say calling Barry a Breakout Character is completely inaccurate; he's the main character so he can't be this. Not to mention, CW!Barry is a Base-Breaking Character as well due to his questionable decisions in seasons 2 and 3.
Secondly, like I said, I'm not talking about their CW counterparts, or this version of the DCU, when referring to this, I'm talking about their overall characters across multiple mediums and adaptations, but primarily the comics version. Barry's recent push as the 'main' Flash over Wally has been cited as a case of Replacement Scrappy due to the reason you cited, and the note was specifically referring to how comic fans feel regarding the two and how that can affect the way people react to Wally's treatment in other continuities. Replacement Scrappy doesn't need to reflect the majority opinion, just one that's vocal enough to be observable, and that's definitely true here.
Like I said, I don't think its necessary at all, I just feel the reasons given for removing it are misunderstanding why I put it there.
Then put Barry under Replacement Scrappy for Wally on the The Flash (2014) page, but having it over on Legends of Tomorrow as a link requires too much additional explanation.
Would Carter's death count as "Stuffed into the Fridge"? Kinda seems like the very definition of the trope, with Carter dying to give Kendra a reason to hate Savage. Now, he'll come back of course but who doesn't come back in comics these days.
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He's more of a Sacrificial Lion, I'd say. Kendra was already motivated to stop him, since stopping Savage was what motivated her to accept Rip's offer. Carter's death just made her more actively motivated to kill him, rather than supporting Carter while he did it.
I guess we'll see what they do going forward but I understood it as (which is why this seems like a YMMV kinda deal) that she was kinda on the fence about the past lives thing and that it's Carter's death that really motivates her to be Hawkgirl rather than Kendra with powers.
Why was the section about the theory about Gary being the guy Sara seduced to gain entry to the Time Bureau being unlikely due to 1- Gary being unable to keep a secret 2- Sara general dislike of him and 3- Only woman he has shown attraction do is Ava. Removed from Epileptic Trees: Season three? No reasoning was put in its deletion.
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