Useful Notes Ukraine Discussion

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AgProv
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11:52:07 AM Aug 14th 2014
edited by 89.242.248.2
Was it the case that the remnant of Bandera's nationalists continued a guerilla war against the Russians/USSR well into the 1950's? I'm sure I read somewhere that sporadic fighting lasted until just after the death of Stalin - 1956?

Also, a large chunk of the western Ukraine - incorporating Lublin, Brest, et c - belonged to Poland until 1939: "recovering" this was the USSR's rationale for invading Poland in alliance with the Germans. In 1945, the land borders were pushed west so that this land became the Ukraine in perpetuity, and Poland made up the loss at Germany's expense.
Gangrena
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01:28:22 PM Aug 1st 2012
edited by Gangrena
>>Many Ukrainians will object if you call them Russians- the Russians were responsible for millions of deaths in the Ukrainian SSR, including a possible genocide in the Holodomor("death by hunger") —- gods, what nonsense. Mostly Ukrainians will object if you call them Russians- just because they are not Russians. Speaking russian language does not make you russian, m-okey? It's just like if you speak english - automatically makes you englishman. P.S. And Ukrainians blame only Stalinist policies for famine.
LoustarJogger
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11:02:56 AM Aug 9th 2010
P.S. Carol of the Bells originally started as the Ukrainian Bell Carol. Should this be mentioned?
Gangrena
01:27:21 PM Aug 1st 2012
edited by Gangrena
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LittleBuster
03:05:31 PM Aug 7th 2017
edited by LittleBuster
I do not know who wrote that the Crimean Russians are "children and grandsons of immigrants", but this is a lie, since Crimean Tatars have never been large enough to make up the majority of the Crimean population, and at least since the 18th century, especially after the appearance of such cities as Sevastopol and Simferopol, the majority of the population of Crimea are Russians and to a lesser extent Ukrainians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea#Ethnicities_and_languages.

Moreover, even before the Tatars in Crimea lived a large number of Greeks, Armenians and other autochthonous Muslim peoples like Krymchaks, so this statement is clearly offensive.

JulianLapostat
03:07:33 PM Aug 7th 2017
As long as you cite proper academic sources and from multiple countries and mention it, then it's fine...this is obviously a sensitive topic. Write it in an even and neutral tone....
LittleBuster
03:13:26 PM Aug 7th 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea#Ethnicities_and_languages

For example. Even in tsarist times, the Crimean Tatars were as many as Russians, but not the majority. The problem is that after the Stalin era, a lot of tension developed between the Russian and Crimean Tatars, which was only maintained during the Ukrainian era, as Viktor Yushchenko hoped, that the conflict between the Russians and the Tatars would interfere with the ever greater development of the prophetic views in the Crimea.

JulianLapostat
03:14:20 PM Aug 7th 2017
You would need to do better than wikipedia, I am talking CIA World Factbook, University scholarly papers, published books with biblography and annotations.

LittleBuster
03:18:45 PM Aug 7th 2017
There are sources on censuses and the history of the annexation of the Crimea to Russia after Rissian-Turkish war. I just want to say that this is a very hot topic for Crimean residents and such a statement is equivalent if a resident of Texas or California claimed that any people of Mexican origin in these states are only "descendants of illegal immigrants."

P.S. Moreover, I did not notice there the sources of the statement I deleted.

JulianLapostat
03:25:27 PM Aug 7th 2017
Let's wait for more people to chip in...or alternatively go to the Real-Life and On-topic parts of the Tvtropes forums and either PM one of the posters there or ask them their opinion.

I am not qualified on the content of the discussion, more the process...
LittleBuster
03:25:30 PM Aug 7th 2017
http://demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/rus_lan_97_uezd_eng.php?reg=1420 For example, here is the first population census of the Crimea for the year 1897. As you can see, Crimean Tatars are slightly more than Russians and several times less than all Slavs in general. And this is not counting the Germans, Greeks, Armenians, Jews and more smaller Muslim nations.

LittleBuster
03:28:00 PM Aug 7th 2017
Well, in that case, please give me a link to the topic that you opened.

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