Discussion UsefulNotes / Ukraine

…Ah, there's an edit requests thread somewhere. Where is it?

Since it's ongoing, it might be a good idea to hold off on it for now. Then again, the Covid-19 pandemic has a page and that's not over yet (sadly).

I think that we can, at this point, put some basic information like the start of the war and that NATO supports Ukraine into the article.

Concur with the above. Someone has locked the article, though.

As the war has been ongoing for a year and a half now, shouldn't some thought be given to at least opening a separate (and tightly moderated) page for the war? It seems really odd that such a consequential event isn't mentioned at all on this page, even though I recognize the mods want to prevent undesirable events such as edit wars.

Update request submitted on the locked pages thread. I've tagged you.

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I do not know who wrote that the Crimean Russians are "children and grandsons of immigrants", but this is a lie, since Crimean Tatars have never been large enough to make up the majority of the Crimean population, and at least since the 18th century, especially after the appearance of such cities as Sevastopol and Simferopol, the majority of the population of Crimea are Russians and to a lesser extent Ukrainians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea#Ethnicities_and_languages.

Moreover, even before the Tatars in Crimea lived a large number of Greeks, Armenians and other autochthonous Muslim peoples like Krymchaks, so this statement is clearly offensive.

As long as you cite proper academic sources and from multiple countries and mention it, then it's fine...this is obviously a sensitive topic. Write it in an even and neutral tone....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea#Ethnicities_and_languages

For example. Even in tsarist times, the Crimean Tatars were as many as Russians, but not the majority. The problem is that after the Stalin era, a lot of tension developed between the Russian and Crimean Tatars, which was only maintained during the Ukrainian era, as Viktor Yushchenko hoped, that the conflict between the Russians and the Tatars would interfere with the ever greater development of the prophetic views in the Crimea.

You would need to do better than wikipedia, I am talking CIA World Factbook, University scholarly papers, published books with biblography and annotations.

There are sources on censuses and the history of the annexation of the Crimea to Russia after Rissian-Turkish war. I just want to say that this is a very hot topic for Crimean residents and such a statement is equivalent if a resident of Texas or California claimed that any people of Mexican origin in these states are only "descendants of illegal immigrants."

P.S. Moreover, I did not notice there the sources of the statement I deleted.

Let's wait for more people to chip in...or alternatively go to the Real-Life and On-topic parts of the Tvtropes forums and either PM one of the posters there or ask them their opinion.

I am not qualified on the content of the discussion, more the process...

http://demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/rus_lan_97_uezd_eng.php?reg=1420 For example, here is the first population census of the Crimea for the year 1897. As you can see, Crimean Tatars are slightly more than Russians and several times less than all Slavs in general. And this is not counting the Germans, Greeks, Armenians, Jews and more smaller Muslim nations.

Well, in that case, please give me a link to the topic that you opened.

Shouldn't the war in Ukraine be added to the page by now?

It should do - and also warrants its own page, as there is now a Ukrainian-filmed drama series on Netflix set during the initial invasion. It's called Ya Nadiya, which literally translates as I am Hope, the title being used in English. Nadiya ("Hope") being the name of the lead character, a paramedic in Kharkiv.