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5th Mar '17 3:10:09 PM Saveelich
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* Creator/StevenSpielberg's paternal grandparents were Jewish immigrants from Ukraine who settled in Cincinnati in the 1900s.
24th Feb '17 2:12:18 PM GlitteringFlowers
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* UsefulNotes/NikitaKhrushchev, who led the entire Soviet Union after Stalin's death. While not Ukrainian, he (among other things) inadvertently laid the ground for the current situation in Crimea, by taking it from Russian Soviet Republic and giving it to the Ukrainian Soviet Republic. This no doubt seemed to Khrushchev like a more logical geographical fit, seeing as Crimea is actually connected by land to Ukraine and not to Russia, but whether it was a proper ''cultural'' fit is a completely separate issue and much more complicated.

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* UsefulNotes/NikitaKhrushchev, who led the entire Soviet Union after Stalin's death. While not Ukrainian, Ukrainian (he was from Kursk Oblast, near the Russia/Ukraine border), he (among other things) inadvertently laid the ground for the current situation in Crimea, by taking it from Russian Soviet Republic and giving it to the Ukrainian Soviet Republic. This no doubt seemed to Khrushchev like a more logical geographical fit, seeing as Crimea is actually connected by land to Ukraine and not to Russia, but whether it was a proper ''cultural'' fit is a completely separate issue and much more complicated.
24th Feb '17 2:07:45 PM GlitteringFlowers
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Unlike the situation with Belarus, which has been largely Russified (Belarusian is only commonly used by 10% of the population), Russia and Ukraine have never ''entirely'' gotten along, despite protestations to the contrary from both sides and extremely close cultural ties. The recent unpleasantness is only the latest in a string of grievances going back centuries, not least of which is the question of "historical legitimacy." Moscow's claim to be the successor of the Kievan Rus was never completely accepted in Kiev. Indeed, the centuries-old Ukrainian term "Moskal" to refer to a Russian person is considered derogatory. [[note]]There's an old Soviet joke: One Ukrainian says to another that Yuri Gagarin has gone into space. The other Ukrainian responds that unless the Moskali plan to ''stay there,'' he's not interested.[[/note]] While Eastern Ukraine was ruled by Russia for many centuries and the Tsars attempted to impress on them the idea of being part of an All-Russian Brotherhood, many Ukrainians never quite shook the feeling that they were being ruled by a foreign power. However while many Ukrainians object to being called Russian, there are in fact a large number of people in the east of the country, especially in the Crimea peninsula, who are Russian-speaking and ethnically Russian (this doesn't necessarily mean they want to be part of Russia, though). Another issue is the Holodomor ("death by hunger"), a famine which lasted from 1932-33 due to Soviet crop seizures and agricultural policies, killing around 4 million Ukrainians. Many Ukrainians consider this little less than a Soviet holocaust, while many Russians claim the famine was due to factors outside of human control.

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Unlike the situation with Belarus, which has been largely Russified (Belarusian is only commonly used by 10% of the population), Russia and Ukraine have never ''entirely'' gotten along, despite protestations to the contrary from both sides and extremely close cultural ties. The recent unpleasantness is only the latest in a string of grievances going back centuries, not least of which is the question of "historical legitimacy." Moscow's claim to be the successor of the Kievan Rus was never completely accepted in Kiev. Indeed, the centuries-old Ukrainian term "Moskal" to refer to a Russian person is considered derogatory. [[note]]There's an old Soviet joke: One Ukrainian says to another that Yuri Gagarin has gone into space. The other Ukrainian responds that unless the Moskali plan to ''stay there,'' he's not interested.[[/note]] While Eastern Ukraine was ruled by Russia for many centuries and the Tsars attempted to impress on them the idea of being part of an All-Russian Brotherhood, many Ukrainians never quite shook the feeling that they were being ruled by a foreign power. However while many Ukrainians object to being called Russian, there are in fact a large number of people in the east of the country, especially in the Crimea peninsula, who are Russian-speaking and ethnically Russian (this doesn't necessarily mean they want to be part of Russia, though). Another issue is the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor Holodomor ("death by hunger"), hunger")]], a famine which lasted from 1932-33 due to Soviet crop seizures and agricultural policies, killing around 4 million Ukrainians. Many Ukrainians consider this little less than a Soviet holocaust, while many Russians claim the famine was due to factors outside of human control.
20th Feb '17 3:01:56 PM Saveelich
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Before Crimea was annexed by Russia, the Russians used to lease a naval base there in Sevastopol. The Ukrainian parliament used to have one brawl per year (literally, with fists flying and things being thrown) over whether to let them stay. The Ukrainian parliament usually has additional brawls each year over other issues; it's that kind of government. Now that Russia controls the entire peninsula, it's a moot point.

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Before Crimea was annexed by Russia, the Russians used to lease a naval base there in Sevastopol. The Ukrainian parliament used to have one brawl per year (literally, (a ''[[BloodOnTheDebateFloor literal brawl]]'', with fists flying and things being thrown) over whether to let them stay. The Ukrainian parliament usually has additional brawls each year over other issues; it's that kind of government. Now that Russia controls the entire peninsula, it's a moot point.
10th Feb '17 8:40:06 PM Saveelich
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* Wladimir Korolenko, a short story writer, journalist, human rights activist and humanitarian.

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* Wladimir Korolenko, a short story writer, journalist, human rights {{Human Rights|Issues}} activist and humanitarian.
10th Feb '17 8:37:22 PM Saveelich
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* Wladimir Korolenko, a short story writer, journalist, human rights activist and humanitarian.
5th Jan '17 2:17:15 PM JustTroper
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* Ukrainians (especially those from west of the Dnipro River) will object to being called "Russians" because of a lot of horrid stuff done to them by the Russians, including purges, being sent to Siberia, suppressing Ukrainian language, culture, and identity (though at one point Soviet Russians briefly encouraged own national identity of Ukrainians) and, worst of all, engineering a famine under Stalin (the Holodomor) that killed between 7-10 million Ukrainians in one year. [[UnreliableNarrator Or so they claim]]. As is the case with Basques in Spain or Irish and Scottish people in Britain, it's difficult to sort out the grains of truth from propaganda perpetrated by both sides. Holodomor alone raises doubt about whether it was just Stalin's economic failure, ethnic genocide, or democide (given that people from some other USSR republics were also subject to it). Or some mix of all of the above.

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* Ukrainians (especially those from west of the Dnipro River) will object to being called "Russians" because of a lot of horrid stuff done to them by the Russians, including purges, being sent to Siberia, suppressing Ukrainian language, culture, and identity (though at one point Soviet Russians briefly encouraged own national identity of Ukrainians) and, worst of all, engineering a famine under Stalin (the Holodomor) that killed between 7-10 million Ukrainians in one year. [[UnreliableNarrator Or so they claim]]. As is the case with Basques in Spain or Irish and Scottish people in Britain, it's difficult to sort out the grains of truth from propaganda perpetrated by both sides. Holodomor alone raises doubt about whether it was just Stalin's economic failure, ethnic genocide, or democide (given that people from some other USSR republics were also subject to it). Or some mix of all of In fact, there is no controversy on whether Holodomor should be seen as a crime (it is, at the above.very least, a crime of negligence; both Russian and Ukrainian authorities agree on this): the real matter of heated controversy is whether it should be seen as a "crime of Stalin's regime against its people" or a "crime of Russia against Ukraine".
25th Nov '16 8:48:43 AM JustTroper
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'''TL;DR version''': it's Russia's fault.

Ukraine draws its history all the way back from the UsefulNotes/KievanRus (and beyond, alas with way hazier record). The Kievan Rus was an ancient state, and the first to unify the Eastern Slavs - therefore Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus all claim descent from it (although Russians are ethically not Slavs). Unsurprisingly, its capital was based in Kiev. The state was united for approximately 300 years from the late 9th century to 12th century, when it fractured into various quarreling principalities. This left them easy prey for the Mongol Empire, which easily conquered the East Slavs and made them vassals for almost 300 years.

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'''TL;DR version''': it's Russia's fault.

Ukraine draws its history all the way back from the UsefulNotes/KievanRus (and beyond, alas with way hazier record). The Kievan Rus was an ancient state, and the first to unify the Eastern Slavs - therefore Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus all claim descent from it (although Russians are ethically not Slavs).it. Unsurprisingly, its capital was based in Kiev. The state was united for approximately 300 years from the late 9th century to 12th century, when it fractured into various quarreling principalities. This left them easy prey for the Mongol Empire, which easily conquered the East Slavs and made them vassals for almost 300 years.



A notable recent event was the 2004 Orange Revolution, where peaceful demonstrations forced the re-run of a questionable election and changed the government from pro-Russian to pro-Western (later elections changed it back, but were more peaceful). Another event of note was Ukraine holding the Euro-2012 football championship, along with Poland, and preparations for the event were painstakingly made. The most notable event in Ukraine of the 2010s so far has been the semi-violent[[note]]By which we mean, there was shooting, but nothing resembling military operations, and the old leadership wasn't gunned down[[/note]] revolution of 2014 which overthrew the pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych; this episode is called the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan Euromaidan]], i.e. "Europe Square" (because the triggering event was Yanukovych rejecting a deal with the EuropeanUnion to take a deal with the Russians). In response, Russia annexed Crimea and started stirring up trouble in Eastern Ukraine; TheOtherWiki has dubbed this [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_crisis the Crimean Crisis]]. For its part, Crimea seems indifferent or possibly happy to be part of Russia (except for the Crimean Tatars)[[note]]Due to Stalin-era ethnic cleansing and population transfers, the overwhelming majority of Crimea's population are the children and grandchildren of Russian transplants anyway.[[/note]], while most surveys say that Eastern Ukraine is indifferent or possibly happy to remain a (prickly) part of Ukraine (protesters aside). Or rather they ''were''. After protesters (or regular Russian military) took over several regions of Eastern Ukraine, a full on civil war (or Russian invasion) broke out, that only seems to have quieten with the current Minsk treaty. Oh, and "quieten" here means that the front line didn't move significantly in either direction, but the combat itself never ceased. Every day there are reports of losses, shootings, assaults, etc.

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A notable recent event was the 2004 Orange Revolution, where peaceful demonstrations forced the re-run of a questionable election and changed the government from pro-Russian to pro-Western (later elections changed it back, but were more peaceful). Another event of note was Ukraine holding the Euro-2012 football championship, along with Poland, and preparations for the event were painstakingly made. The most notable event in Ukraine of the 2010s so far has been the semi-violent[[note]]By which we mean, there was shooting, but nothing resembling military operations, and the old leadership wasn't gunned down[[/note]] revolution of 2014 which overthrew the pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych; this episode is called the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan Euromaidan]], i.e. "Europe Square" (because the triggering event was Yanukovych rejecting a deal with the EuropeanUnion to take a deal with the Russians). In response, Russia annexed Crimea and started stirring up trouble in Eastern Ukraine; TheOtherWiki has dubbed this [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_crisis the Crimean Crisis]]. For its part, Crimea seems indifferent or possibly happy to be part of Russia (except for the Crimean Tatars)[[note]]Due to Stalin-era ethnic cleansing and population transfers, the overwhelming majority of Crimea's population are the children and grandchildren of Russian transplants anyway.[[/note]], while most surveys say that Eastern Ukraine is indifferent or possibly happy to remain a (prickly) part of Ukraine (protesters aside). Or rather they ''were''. After protesters (or regular Russian military) took over several regions of Eastern Ukraine, a full on civil war (or Russian invasion) broke out, that only seems to have quieten with the current Minsk treaty. Oh, and "quieten" here means that the front line didn't move significantly in either direction, but the combat itself never ceased. Every day there are reports of losses, shootings, assaults, etc.



During Soviet times, Soviet planners wanted to prevent ''any'' one region from establishing totally independent arms production, and a lot of defence and aerospace plants (such as Antonov and Yangel) ended up in Ukraine. When the USSR collapsed, the Russian Federation found itself in the unenviable position of having the vendors of many of its equipment and weapons systems in a foreign country and often they weren't very cooperative. Ukraine is sitting on top of a lot of old Soviet industrial bases, needless to say. Also for a while they inherited all the nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles the Soviets had stationed in Ukraine, but they decided to give them up, as did Belarus and Kazakhstan, which had found themselves in similar positions. Now, because of that, none of them have the means to really stand up to Russia.

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During Soviet times, Soviet planners wanted to prevent ''any'' one region from establishing totally independent arms production, and a lot of defence and aerospace plants (such as Antonov and Yangel) ended up in Ukraine. When the USSR collapsed, the Russian Federation found itself in the unenviable position of having the vendors of many of its equipment and weapons systems in a foreign country and often they weren't very cooperative. Ukraine is sitting on top of a lot of old Soviet industrial bases, needless to say. Also for a while they inherited all the nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles the Soviets had stationed in Ukraine, but they decided to give them up, as did Belarus and Kazakhstan, which had found themselves in similar positions. Now, because of that, none of them have the means to really stand up to Russia.
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15th Nov '16 4:53:19 AM Saveelich
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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestor_Makhno Nestor Makhno]], leader of Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine (an anarcho-communist army named after him, Makhnovshchina) during the 1917-1921 Ukrainian War of Independence, which was a part of the Russian Civil War. Initially on the Bolsheviks' side until 1919, they ended up fighting them and ''[[MeleeATrois everyone else]]''. Bolsheviks prevailed and Makhno fled, dying in Paris in 1934.

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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestor_Makhno Nestor Makhno]], leader of the Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine (an anarcho-communist army army) named "Makhnovshchina" after him, Makhnovshchina) him during the 1917-1921 Ukrainian War of Independence, which was a part of the Russian Civil War. Initially on the Bolsheviks' side until 1919, they ended up fighting them and ''[[MeleeATrois everyone else]]''. Bolsheviks prevailed and Makhno fled, dying in Paris in 1934.
1st Nov '16 6:32:51 PM Saveelich
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* The Klitschko brothers, Vitali and Wladimir, heavyweight boxers and very well known ones in that sport -- Vitali currently holds the WBC belt, Wladimir the IBF, WBO, IBO and Ring Magazine ones. Vitali became a politician, taking a seat in Parliament, and was a major leader of the Euromaidan, and briefly ran for president in 2014 before withdrawing and endorsing chocolate baron Petro Poroshenko for the post.

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* The Klitschko brothers, Vitali and Wladimir, heavyweight boxers and very well known ones in that sport -- Vitali currently holds the WBC belt, Wladimir the IBF, WBO, IBO and Ring Magazine ones. Vitali became a politician, taking a seat in Parliament, and was a major leader of the Euromaidan, and briefly ran for president in 2014 before withdrawing and endorsing chocolate baron Petro Poroshenko for the post.


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* Petro Poroshenko, the current president (since 2014), an oligarch owning several lucrative manufacturing businesses such as Roshen Confectionery Corporation (which earned him the nickname "Chocolate King"), several financial assets and a TV channel.
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