History UsefulNotes / Ukraine

17th Jun '16 5:06:36 PM nombretomado
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* Creator/MilaKunis. ''{{That 70s Show}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''. Born there, moved to the US.

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* Creator/MilaKunis. ''{{That 70s Show}}'' ''Series/That70sShow'' and ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy''. Born there, moved to the US.
19th Apr '16 2:14:38 PM Willbyr
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* Yulia Tymoshenko, the country's former PM. Considered one of the sexiest female politicians in the world, a fact she uses, she once posed in designer dresses for the local version of ''{{Elle}}'' magazine (during her first premiership) and commented that she'd like to pose for ''{{Playboy}}''. You may know her best from her role as TokenEvilTeammate in TheLegendOfKoizumi.

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* Yulia Tymoshenko, the country's former PM. Considered one of the sexiest female politicians in the world, a fact she uses, she once posed in designer dresses for the local version of ''{{Elle}}'' magazine (during her first premiership) and commented that she'd like to pose for ''{{Playboy}}''. ''Magazine/{{Playboy}}''. You may know her best from her role as TokenEvilTeammate in TheLegendOfKoizumi.''Manga/TheLegendOfKoizumi''.
23rd Mar '16 3:03:16 AM SSJMagus
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* UsefulNotes/NikitaKhrushchev, who led the entire Soviet Union after Stalin's death and (among other things) unadvertently laid the ground for the current events in Crimea, by taking it from Russian Soviet Republic and giving it to Ukrainian Soviet Republic.

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* UsefulNotes/NikitaKhrushchev, who led the entire Soviet Union after Stalin's death and (among other things) unadvertently inadvertently laid the ground for the current events in Crimea, by taking it from Russian Soviet Republic and giving it to Ukrainian Soviet Republic.Republic. This no doubt seemed to Khrushchev like a more logical geographical fit, seeing as Crimea is actually connected by land to Ukraine and not to Russia, but whether it was a proper ''cultural'' fit is a completely separate issue and much more complicated.



* Ukrainians (especially those from west of the Dnipro River) will object to being called Russian because of a lot of horrid stuff done to them by the Russians, including purges, being sent to Siberia, suppressing Ukrainian language, culture, and identity (though at one point Soviet Russians briefly encouraged own national identity of Ukrainians) and, worst of all, engineering a famine under Stalin (the Holodomor) that killed between 7-10 million Ukrainians in one year. [[UnreliableNarrator Or so they claim]]. As is the case with Basques in Spain or Irish and Scottish people in Britain, it's difficult to sort out the grains of truth from propaganda perpetrated by both sides. Holodomor alone raises doubt about whether it was just Stalin's economic failure, ethnic genocide, or democide (given that people from some other USSR republics were also subject to it).

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* Ukrainians (especially those from west of the Dnipro River) will object to being called Russian because of a lot of horrid stuff done to them by the Russians, including purges, being sent to Siberia, suppressing Ukrainian language, culture, and identity (though at one point Soviet Russians briefly encouraged own national identity of Ukrainians) and, worst of all, engineering a famine under Stalin (the Holodomor) that killed between 7-10 million Ukrainians in one year. [[UnreliableNarrator Or so they claim]]. As is the case with Basques in Spain or Irish and Scottish people in Britain, it's difficult to sort out the grains of truth from propaganda perpetrated by both sides. Holodomor alone raises doubt about whether it was just Stalin's economic failure, ethnic genocide, or democide (given that people from some other USSR republics were also subject to it). Or some mix of all of the above.
21st Feb '16 4:47:59 PM Hadjorim
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People tend to get the flag upside-down. Indeed, for a while in the 19th century and early 20th century, there was confusion even among Ukrainians about what order the colors should be. An easy way to remember the correct orientation is the flag represents the blue sky over rich fields of grain. This is a modern mnemonic however, and not historical. The blue-gold flag of Ukraine goes back centuries, and any definite original symbolism, if there ever was one, has been lost.

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People tend to get the flag upside-down. Indeed, for a while in the 19th century and early 20th century, there was There is occasionally confusion even among Ukrainians about what order the colors should be. An easy way to remember the correct orientation is the flag represents the blue sky over rich fields of grain. This is a modern mnemonic however, and not historical. The blue-gold flag of Ukraine goes back centuries, and any definite original symbolism, if there ever was one, has been lost.
23rd Jan '16 12:43:43 PM Hadjorim
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Before Crimea was annexed by Russia, the Russians used to lease a naval base there in Sevastopol. The Ukrainian parliament used to have one brawl per year (literally, with fists flying and things being thrown) over when to let them stay. The Ukrainian parliament usually has additional brawls each year over other issues; it's that kind of government. Now that Russia controls the entire peninsula, it's a moot point.

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Before Crimea was annexed by Russia, the Russians used to lease a naval base there in Sevastopol. The Ukrainian parliament used to have one brawl per year (literally, with fists flying and things being thrown) over when whether to let them stay. The Ukrainian parliament usually has additional brawls each year over other issues; it's that kind of government. Now that Russia controls the entire peninsula, it's a moot point.
22nd Jan '16 9:20:33 PM Hadjorim
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People tend to get the flag upside-down. Indeed, for a while in the 19th century and early 20th century, there was confusion even among Ukrainians about what order the colors should be. An easy way to remember the correct orientation is the flag represents the blue sky over rich fields of grain. This is a modern mnemonic however, and not historical. The blue-gold flag of Ukraine goes back centuries, and any definite original symbolism for the colors, if there ever was one, has been lost.

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People tend to get the flag upside-down. Indeed, for a while in the 19th century and early 20th century, there was confusion even among Ukrainians about what order the colors should be. An easy way to remember the correct orientation is the flag represents the blue sky over rich fields of grain. This is a modern mnemonic however, and not historical. The blue-gold flag of Ukraine goes back centuries, and any definite original symbolism for the colors, symbolism, if there ever was one, has been lost.
22nd Jan '16 9:19:34 PM Hadjorim
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People tend to get the flag upside-down. An easy way to remember the correct orientation is the flag represents the blue sky over rich fields of grain. This is a modern mnemonic however, and not historical. The blue-gold flag of Ukraine goes back centuries, and the original meaning, if there ever was one, has been lost.

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People tend to get the flag upside-down. Indeed, for a while in the 19th century and early 20th century, there was confusion even among Ukrainians about what order the colors should be. An easy way to remember the correct orientation is the flag represents the blue sky over rich fields of grain. This is a modern mnemonic however, and not historical. The blue-gold flag of Ukraine goes back centuries, and the any definite original meaning, symbolism for the colors, if there ever was one, has been lost.
22nd Jan '16 9:05:53 PM Hadjorim
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Before Crimea was annexed by Russia, the Russians used to lease a naval base there in Sevastopol. The Ukrainian parliament used to have one brawl per year (Literally, with fists flying and things being thrown. The Ukrainian parliament usually has additional brals each year over other issues; it's that kind of government.) over whether to let them stay. Now that Russia controls the entire peninsula, it's a moot point.

People tend to get the flag upside-down. An easy way to remember the correct orientation is that the blue represents the sky and the yellow represents rich fields of grain[[note]]not really - it's kinda "explanation" offered relatively recently. Really useful as a mnemonic note though.[[/note]]

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Before Crimea was annexed by Russia, the Russians used to lease a naval base there in Sevastopol. The Ukrainian parliament used to have one brawl per year (Literally, (literally, with fists flying and things being thrown. thrown) over when to let them stay. The Ukrainian parliament usually has additional brals brawls each year over other issues; it's that kind of government.) over whether to let them stay. Now that Russia controls the entire peninsula, it's a moot point.

People tend to get the flag upside-down. An easy way to remember the correct orientation is that the blue flag represents the blue sky and the yellow represents over rich fields of grain[[note]]not really - it's kinda "explanation" offered relatively recently. Really useful as grain. This is a modern mnemonic note though.[[/note]]
however, and not historical. The blue-gold flag of Ukraine goes back centuries, and the original meaning, if there ever was one, has been lost.
22nd Jan '16 8:58:46 PM Hadjorim
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Another controversy is the spelling of the capital. "Kiev" is the romanization of the ''Russian'' spelling, while "Kyiv" is the Ukrainian spelling. Since independence, Ukrainians have made it a point, even ''passing a law,'' that English-speakers should write it as "Kyiv." Accordingly most "official" organizations, such as the US government and the United Nations, spell it as "Kyiv" on official documents, but the old spelling of "Kiev" remains in wide colloquial use among English-speakers.

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Another controversy is the spelling of the capital. "Kiev" is the romanization of the ''Russian'' spelling, while "Kyiv" is the Ukrainian spelling. Since independence, Ukrainians have made it a point, even ''passing a law,'' that English-speakers should write it as "Kyiv." Accordingly most "official" political organizations, such as the US government and the United Nations, spell it as "Kyiv" on official documents, but the old spelling of "Kiev" remains in wide colloquial use among English-speakers.
22nd Jan '16 8:56:05 PM Hadjorim
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Basically what it comes down to is whether you consider Ukraine and Belarus legitimate nations with full rights to self-determination, or simply regions and subgroups of a "Greater Russia" that have temporarily fallen away due to historical accident and western plotting. Vladimir Putin is said to have told George Bush that Ukraine "isn't even a state." Many Russians are genuinely puzzled and saddened that Ukrainians would want to be its own country, and this frustrates many Ukrainians.

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Basically what it comes down to is whether you consider Ukraine and Belarus legitimate nations with full rights to self-determination, or simply regions and subgroups of a "Greater Russia" that have temporarily fallen away due to historical accident and western plotting. Vladimir Putin is said to have told George Bush that Ukraine "isn't even a state." Many Russians are genuinely puzzled and saddened that Ukrainians would want to be its their own country, and this frustrates many Ukrainians.
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