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Mareon Since: Aug, 2009
Sep 7th 2020 at 3:04:53 PM •••

Since Badass Gay was removed We replaced that tag on character page with this and then other people removes it "because it isn't a Trope” Any idea how to turn this Into a Trope then?

Drolyt The Master Since: Jan, 2001
The Master
Nov 20th 2011 at 6:26:51 AM •••

"In other words, sexual orientation and assigned gender are getting all tangled up and treated as if they are not separate issues, despite half a second's thought indicating that of course they are." I object to this phrasing. While I agree that they are separate (though not wholly independent) issues, I think it takes more than "half a second's though" to come to this conclusion. I understand that for many tropers acceptance of gays is pretty much dogmatic, but this kind of writing only preaches to the choir. If you plan to actually convince people of your opinion, you cannot imply they are stupid for having their opinion.

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69BookWorM69 Since: Jun, 2011
Aug 7th 2015 at 2:08:54 AM •••

I wonder if this is relevant to the discussion: The United States' Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) ruled on July 16, 2015 that discrimination based on sexual orientation is already illegal and is covered by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, which specifically prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex, race, religion, color, or national origin. In particular, the EEOC has clarified that Title VII’s prohibition of discrimination based on sex is already enough to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation. Therefore, sexual orientation doesn’t need separate protection because that protection already exists.

Perhaps it isn't just Hollywood that conflates gender performance (acting masculine or feminine) with sexual orientation, but the wider culture does too, and Hollywood merely reflects that (with some degree of funhouse-mirror-style exaggeration). I know we're not usually worried about notability here, but in the case of a Useful Notes page, it may be a good idea to bring this up.

taveena Since: Oct, 2009
Jul 19th 2014 at 3:17:02 PM •••

The current description of Gender Identity is rather more a description of Gender Expression than that - after all, I don't think anyone would say a butch lesbian identifies as male.

TwinBird Dunkies addict Since: Oct, 2009
Dunkies addict
May 8th 2010 at 10:14:16 PM •••

Okay, we are getting really close to People Sit On Chairs here.

Then again, the same could be said of Bi The Way... wait, it was. By me.

Maybe I'm not worth listening to.

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IronLion Since: Feb, 2010
May 12th 2010 at 2:43:36 PM •••

It's a Useful Notes entry, not a trope. Maybe it should be moved to that namespace.

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