History UsefulNotes / Homosexual

10th Apr '18 2:19:56 PM Twiddler
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The stereotype of the straight male is that he is a manly man... but it's possible to be an exclusively straight male but also swing over to the feminine side of the spectrum; stand-up comedian Creator/EddieIzzard, who has declared himself this sort of person, likes to call himself a "male lesbian". For the ladies, you have characters like Shannon Beiste from ''Series/{{Glee}}'', a rough and burly female football coach who has no sexual interest in other women. People such as this need not be {{Transsexual}}, it's just their personality. Furthermore, transsexuality has nothing to do with homosexuality. A female-to-male transsexual who dates women is not a lesbian, for example, but a straight man, and is just as likely to be gay (attracted to other men) or bi. This is also why the "TransEqualsGay" trope exists and gets bundled up in this issue, despite being loosely related at best: the media like to stereotype it as being some sort of "ultra-gay" condition (reality: it is not, and in fact is so unrelated that it has a completely separate Useful Notes article, [[{{UsefulNotes/Transgender}} found by clicking here]]).

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The stereotype of the straight male is that he is a manly man... but it's possible to be an exclusively straight male but also swing over to the feminine side of the spectrum; stand-up comedian Creator/EddieIzzard, who has declared himself this sort of person, likes to call himself a "male lesbian". For the ladies, you have characters like Shannon Beiste from ''Series/{{Glee}}'', a rough and burly female football coach who has no sexual interest in other women. People such as this need not be {{Transsexual}}, {{Transgender}}, it's just their personality. Furthermore, transsexuality being transgender has nothing to do with homosexuality. A female-to-male transsexual transgender person who dates women is not a lesbian, for example, but a straight man, and is just as likely to be gay (attracted to other men) or bi. This is also why the "TransEqualsGay" trope exists and gets bundled up in this issue, despite being loosely related at best: the media like to stereotype it as being some sort of "ultra-gay" condition (reality: it is not, and in fact is so unrelated that it has a completely separate Useful Notes article, [[{{UsefulNotes/Transgender}} found by clicking here]]).
4th Mar '18 4:01:13 AM Fireblood
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Now that the lecture's over, you may be thinking, "Why did we go through all the trouble of learning that?" Simple: In modern media, '''''those three separate traits are often believed to be one single trait.''''' If you have a penis, you must be the kind of person who likes UsefulNotes/AmericanFootball and belching--period. If you like flowers and sort by clothes by color, you ''must'' own a vagina. And, if you 1) have a penis and 2) like to have sex with people who also have penises, you ''must'' be effeminate and foppish.

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Now that the lecture's over, you may be thinking, "Why did we go through all the trouble of learning that?" Simple: In modern media, '''''those three separate traits are often believed to be one single trait.''''' If you have a penis, you must be the kind of person who likes UsefulNotes/AmericanFootball and belching--period. If you like flowers and sort by clothes by color, you ''must'' own a vagina. And, if you 1) have a penis and 2) like to have sex with people who also have penises, you ''must'' be effeminate and foppish.



The stereotype of the straight male is that he is a manly man... but it's possible to be an exclusively straight male but also swing over to the feminine side of the spectrum; stand-up comedian Creator/EddieIzzard, who has declared himself this sort of person, likes to call himself a "male lesbian". For the ladies, you have characters like Shannon Beiste from ''Series/{{Glee}}'', a rough and burly female football coach who has no sexual interest in other women. Neither have any desire to [[{{Transsexual}} change their sex]], it's just their personality (In the last season of Glee, however, Beiste transitioned into a man). Furthermore, transsexuality has nothing to do with homosexuality. A female-to-male transsexual who dates women is not a lesbian, for example, but a straight man, and is just as likely to be gay (attracted to other men) or bi. This is also why the "TransEqualsGay" trope exists and gets bundled up in this issue, despite being loosely related at best: the media like to stereotype it as being some sort of "ultra-gay" condition. (Reality: it is not, and in fact is so unrelated that it has a completely separate Useful Notes article, [[{{UsefulNotes/Transgender}} found by clicking here]].)

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The stereotype of the straight male is that he is a manly man... but it's possible to be an exclusively straight male but also swing over to the feminine side of the spectrum; stand-up comedian Creator/EddieIzzard, who has declared himself this sort of person, likes to call himself a "male lesbian". For the ladies, you have characters like Shannon Beiste from ''Series/{{Glee}}'', a rough and burly female football coach who has no sexual interest in other women. Neither have any desire to [[{{Transsexual}} change their sex]], People such as this need not be {{Transsexual}}, it's just their personality (In the last season of Glee, however, Beiste transitioned into a man).personality. Furthermore, transsexuality has nothing to do with homosexuality. A female-to-male transsexual who dates women is not a lesbian, for example, but a straight man, and is just as likely to be gay (attracted to other men) or bi. This is also why the "TransEqualsGay" trope exists and gets bundled up in this issue, despite being loosely related at best: the media like to stereotype it as being some sort of "ultra-gay" condition. (Reality: condition (reality: it is not, and in fact is so unrelated that it has a completely separate Useful Notes article, [[{{UsefulNotes/Transgender}} found by clicking here]].)
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Even better, there are scriptures in various religious texts condemning homosexual acts. This of course raises its own questions: Why are those condemnations there? Is it to encourage reproduction, or does <[[AC:Deity Of Your Choice]]> actually consider it evil? Does the passage of scripture actually mean what you say it does, or is it being taken out of context, or suffer from translation errors? Is it just because, before condoms and penicillin, [=STDs=] were much more of a problem and monogamy was the best way to reduce their spread? Some people refuse to ask these questions on principle. Indeed, they tend to focus on anti-gay scriptures while [[http://ozyandmillie.org/2000/08/14/ozy-and-millie-403/ ignoring those that condemn their own vices]], simply using religion as an excuse for preexisting hatred.

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Even better, there are scriptures in various religious texts condemning homosexual acts. This of course raises its own questions: Why why are those condemnations there? Is it to encourage reproduction, or does <[[AC:Deity Of Your Choice]]> actually consider it evil? Does the passage of scripture actually mean what you say it does, or is it being taken out of context, or suffer from translation errors? Is it just because, before condoms and penicillin, [=STDs=] were much more of a problem and monogamy was the best way to reduce their spread? Some people refuse to ask these questions on principle. Indeed, they tend to focus on anti-gay scriptures while [[http://ozyandmillie.org/2000/08/14/ozy-and-millie-403/ ignoring those that condemn their own vices]], simply using religion as an excuse for preexisting hatred.
4th Mar '18 3:48:52 AM Fireblood
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Since homosexuality is harmless as far as sexual abnormalities go, why is there so much hostility towards and/or disapproval of it? One interpretation has to do with conditions people have lived in through history. In the past, child mortality rates were horrific: on average, half of all children died before the age of five[[note]]Today, it's one in twenty, and that's the the lowest it's ever been; just sixty years ago, it was three in twenty[[/note]]. DeathByChildbirth was also a major risk, which was even worse because it killed not only the mother, but every child she might have had thereafter. Long story short, you wanted every able-bodied male and female available to be involved in the process of continuing the species. Men and women not interested in reproducing (because they wanted to get busy with their own sex exclusively) added nothing to the process. It should be pointed out that in many cultures, however, having gay sex ''on the side'' was okay (in fact, sometimes man-on-man sex was considered a ''virtue''. Women-on-women was seen as non-existent (as it was commonly believed in patriarchal societies that AllWomenArePrudes and only have sex to procreate), or given a blind eye, as long as you were still pumping out babies.

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Since homosexuality is harmless as far as sexual abnormalities go, why is there so much hostility towards and/or disapproval of it? One interpretation has to do with conditions people have lived in through history. In the past, child mortality rates were horrific: on average, half of all children died before the age of five[[note]]Today, it's one in twenty, and that's the the lowest it's ever been; just sixty years ago, it was three in twenty[[/note]]. DeathByChildbirth was also a major risk, which was even worse because it killed not only the mother, but every child she might have had thereafter. Long story short, you wanted every able-bodied male and female available to be involved in the process of continuing the species. Men and women not interested in reproducing (because they wanted to get busy with their own sex exclusively) added nothing to the process. It should be pointed out that in many cultures, however, having gay sex ''on the side'' was okay (in fact, sometimes man-on-man sex was considered a ''virtue''.''virtue''). Women-on-women was seen as non-existent (as it was commonly believed in patriarchal societies that AllWomenArePrudes and only have sex to procreate), or given a blind eye, as long as you were still pumping out babies.



The {{Squick}} factor is important too. Homosexuality is a concept many straight people do not understand, and as Creator/HPLovecraft put it, "the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown." Men who engage in same-sex relations, especially those on the "receiving" end of anal intercourse, are considered unmanly in most modern cultures, and sick weirdos for not appreciating the fairer sex. Suggesting that a man is gay is often the worst insult against him in any language (except ''maybe'' calling him a {{virgin|Shaming}} or a {{cuckold}}). For lesbians, it's a little different but not by much. GirlOnGirlIsHot, and it's okay to ogle women making out, but seriously acknowledging a relationship between two women (ie, women who don't need love, or at least sexual fulfillment, from a man) is a no-go. And this is where you get cases of people trying to CureYourGays through torture, often incorporating TheLudovicoTechnique or RapeAndSwitch.

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The {{Squick}} factor is important too. Homosexuality is a concept many straight people do not understand, and as Creator/HPLovecraft put it, "the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown." Men who engage in same-sex relations, especially those on the "receiving" end of anal intercourse, are considered unmanly in most modern cultures, and sick weirdos for not appreciating the fairer sex. Suggesting that a man is gay is often the worst insult against him in any language (except ''maybe'' calling him a {{virgin|Shaming}} or a {{cuckold}}). For lesbians, it's a little different but not by much. GirlOnGirlIsHot, and it's okay to ogle women making out, but seriously acknowledging a relationship between two women (ie, (i.e., women who don't need love, or at least sexual fulfillment, from a man) is a no-go. And this is where you get cases of people trying to CureYourGays through torture, often incorporating TheLudovicoTechnique or RapeAndSwitch.
6th Sep '17 5:04:51 PM GrammarNavi
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Now that the lecture's over, you may be thinking, "Why did we go through all the trouble of learning that?" Simple: In modern media, '''''those three separate traits are often believed to be one single trait.''''' If you have a penis, you must be the kind of person who likes AmericanFootball and belching--period. If you like flowers and sort by clothes by color, you ''must'' own a vagina. And, if you 1) have a penis and 2) like to have sex with people who also have penises, you ''must'' be effeminate and foppish.

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Now that the lecture's over, you may be thinking, "Why did we go through all the trouble of learning that?" Simple: In modern media, '''''those three separate traits are often believed to be one single trait.''''' If you have a penis, you must be the kind of person who likes AmericanFootball UsefulNotes/AmericanFootball and belching--period. If you like flowers and sort by clothes by color, you ''must'' own a vagina. And, if you 1) have a penis and 2) like to have sex with people who also have penises, you ''must'' be effeminate and foppish.
11th Jul '17 10:40:40 AM LavonPapillon1
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5th Jun '17 1:43:14 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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The {{Squick}} factor is important too. Homosexuality is a concept many straight people do not understand, and as Creator/HPLovecraft put it, "the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown." Men who engage in same-sex relations, especially those on the "receiving" end of anal intercourse, are considered unmanly in most modern cultures, and sick weirdos for not appreciating the fairer sex. Suggesting that a man is gay is often the worst insult against him in any language (except, in some cases, calling him a {{virgin|Shaming}} or a {{cuckold}}). For lesbians, it's a little different but not by much. GirlOnGirlIsHot, and it's okay to ogle women making out, but seriously acknowledging a relationship between two women (ie, women who don't need love, or at least sexual fulfillment, from a man) is a no-go. And this is where you get cases of people trying to CureYourGays through torture, often incorporating TheLudovicoTechnique or RapeAndSwitch.

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The {{Squick}} factor is important too. Homosexuality is a concept many straight people do not understand, and as Creator/HPLovecraft put it, "the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown." Men who engage in same-sex relations, especially those on the "receiving" end of anal intercourse, are considered unmanly in most modern cultures, and sick weirdos for not appreciating the fairer sex. Suggesting that a man is gay is often the worst insult against him in any language (except, in some cases, (except ''maybe'' calling him a {{virgin|Shaming}} or a {{cuckold}}). For lesbians, it's a little different but not by much. GirlOnGirlIsHot, and it's okay to ogle women making out, but seriously acknowledging a relationship between two women (ie, women who don't need love, or at least sexual fulfillment, from a man) is a no-go. And this is where you get cases of people trying to CureYourGays through torture, often incorporating TheLudovicoTechnique or RapeAndSwitch.
26th Apr '17 1:15:33 PM drwhom
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Today, being homosexual is also about politics. As with [[UsefulNotes/AmericanGunPolitics gun control]], homosexuality, its legality, its normality and its social acceptability is a SingleIssueWonk for a lot of people on both sides of the debate. In modern American politics, for example, it's valid to ask, "Would you vote against [[UsefulNotes/BarackObama an African-American presidential candidate]] just ''because'' he's African-American, regardless of his actual platform," because some people would ''actually answer Yes'' to that question (or, vice versa, that they will vote for this person on account of his race even though the voter disagrees with him on every major political standpoint). A politician's stand on homosexuality can be a similar deal-breaker.

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Today, being homosexual is also about politics. As with [[UsefulNotes/AmericanGunPolitics gun control]], homosexuality, its legality, its normality and its social acceptability is a SingleIssueWonk for a lot of people on both sides of the debate. In modern American politics, for example, it's valid to ask, "Would you vote against [[UsefulNotes/BarackObama an African-American presidential candidate]] just ''because'' he's African-American, regardless of his actual platform," because some people would ''actually answer Yes'' to that question (or, vice versa, that they will vote for this person on account of his race even though the voter disagrees with him on every major political standpoint). A politician's stand on homosexuality can be a similar deal-breaker.
deal-breaker. It does not help that many gay people impose tests of ideological purity to determine who is [[NoTrueScotsman authentically gay]].
28th Feb '17 11:30:22 AM johnnycade7
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A "Homosexual" is a person, of either gender, who is emotionally and sexually attracted exclusively to people of the same gender.

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A "Homosexual" is a person, of either gender, who is emotionally and sexually and often (though not always) romantically attracted exclusively to people of the same gender.
26th Jan '17 4:44:24 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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The {{Squick}} factor is important too. Homosexuality is a concept many straight people do not understand, and as Creator/HPLovecraft put it, "the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown." Men who engage in same-sex relations, especially those on the "receiving" end of anal intercourse, are considered unmanly in most modern cultures, and sick weirdos for not appreciating the fairer sex. Suggesting that a man is gay is often the worst insult against him in any language (except, in some cases, calling him a {{virgin|Shaming}} or a {{cuckold}}). For lesbians, it's a little different but not by much. GirlOnGirlIsHot, and it's okay to ogle women making out, but seriously acknowledging a relationship between two women (ie, women who don't need love, or at least sexual fulfillment, from a man) is a no-go. And this is where you get cases of people trying to CureYourGays through torture, often incorporating TheLudovicoTechnique or RapeAndSwirch.

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The {{Squick}} factor is important too. Homosexuality is a concept many straight people do not understand, and as Creator/HPLovecraft put it, "the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown." Men who engage in same-sex relations, especially those on the "receiving" end of anal intercourse, are considered unmanly in most modern cultures, and sick weirdos for not appreciating the fairer sex. Suggesting that a man is gay is often the worst insult against him in any language (except, in some cases, calling him a {{virgin|Shaming}} or a {{cuckold}}). For lesbians, it's a little different but not by much. GirlOnGirlIsHot, and it's okay to ogle women making out, but seriously acknowledging a relationship between two women (ie, women who don't need love, or at least sexual fulfillment, from a man) is a no-go. And this is where you get cases of people trying to CureYourGays through torture, often incorporating TheLudovicoTechnique or RapeAndSwirch.
RapeAndSwitch.
26th Jan '17 4:43:47 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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The {{Squick}} factor is important too. Homosexuality is a concept many straight people do not understand, and as Creator/HPLovecraft put it, "the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown." Men who engage in same-sex relations, especially those on the "receiving" end of anal intercourse, are considered unmanly in most modern cultures, and sick weirdos for not appreciating the fairer sex. Suggesting that a man is gay is often the worst insult against him in any language (except, in some cases, calling him a {{virgin|Shaming}} or a {{cuckold}}). For lesbians, it's a little different but not by much. GirlOnGirlIsHot, and it's okay to ogle women making out, but seriously acknowledging a relationship between two women (ie, women who don't need love, or at least sexual fulfillment, from a man) is a no-go. And this is where you get cases of people trying to CureYourGays by [[TheLudovicoTechnique torturing]] the gay out of men and {{rap|eAndSwitch}}ing the gay out of women and occasionally men.

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The {{Squick}} factor is important too. Homosexuality is a concept many straight people do not understand, and as Creator/HPLovecraft put it, "the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown." Men who engage in same-sex relations, especially those on the "receiving" end of anal intercourse, are considered unmanly in most modern cultures, and sick weirdos for not appreciating the fairer sex. Suggesting that a man is gay is often the worst insult against him in any language (except, in some cases, calling him a {{virgin|Shaming}} or a {{cuckold}}). For lesbians, it's a little different but not by much. GirlOnGirlIsHot, and it's okay to ogle women making out, but seriously acknowledging a relationship between two women (ie, women who don't need love, or at least sexual fulfillment, from a man) is a no-go. And this is where you get cases of people trying to CureYourGays by [[TheLudovicoTechnique torturing]] the gay out of men and {{rap|eAndSwitch}}ing the gay out of women and occasionally men.
through torture, often incorporating TheLudovicoTechnique or RapeAndSwirch.
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