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Xyphose Wacky reader Since: Oct, 2022
Wacky reader
Oct 21st 2022 at 7:06:52 AM •••

Removed Eula from Genshin Impact from this page. While she checks Pluckiness and Color Motif (though really, a good portion of the cast falls into this category), and Pretty Princess Powerhouse, Person of Mass Destruction is extremely questionable because her current in-game feats fail to support this. While you can argue that having a vision supports this, none of the non-archon/adepti/non-human characters have showcased any impressive destructive feats yet besides Shenhe.

That, and she absolutely does not need the traveler's assistance at all to accomplish her missions and is incredibly capable, as evidenced by her being a Captain of the Knights of Favonius and how she performed in the Shadows Amidst Snowstorms event. Part of the trope requires that she needs saving by the traveler, something that is extremely unlikely to happen so far. Even in the Drink-a-Dreaming event Eula was capable of going home completely drunk without the traveler's help.

The Love Interest part is very easy to take apart. It's hard to take the traveler harem as evidence of her having romantic feelings for the traveler when it's mostly a meme by the community. As for friendship and teapot lines, they lean more on fanservice and are meant to be taken as 'what-ifs' instead of actual canon since every character has them, Eula being no exception to this. Even then, her lines are fairly tame in comparison to some of the characters with more blatant interest in the traveler like Ayaka.

As for in-game interactions with the traveler, she has no scenes at all that express romantic attraction, viewing the traveler as a good friend at most which really sinks the Ship Tease argument. She in no way contends with characters that have actual Ship Tease with the traveler like Noelle, Keqing, Xiao, Ayaka, Shenhe, Heizou.

Edited by Xyphose Likes to lurk most of the time.
NubianSatyress Curly Goddess Since: Mar, 2016
Curly Goddess
Sep 20th 2021 at 10:35:25 AM •••

I just noticed now, but back in June, ~@Chaotic Novelist was under a serious case of Single-Issue Wonk, where they continually removed the Faux Action Girl trope for dubious reasons. To quote their reasons from one such removal:

1. ) needing help or rescue once or twice does not a faux action girl make. 2.) If the girl is legitimately powerful and demonstrates it, then that too disqualifies from faux action girl. 3.) Failing to achieve a goal does not count either. The description itself lists reason for why she needs help. A character that doesn't require help and never fails is a mary sue.

However, I addressed this with a later reply which re-added the trope:

To quote the Faux Action Girl page: "She has a well-grounded reputation as a strong fighter in her field but always fails miserably in the line of battle." The character can be known in-universe as being powerful or dangerous, but in the story, she is constantly failing and in need of rescue. It doesn't matter how powerful she is; she can still qualify as a Faux Action Girl.

What I noticed today is that Chaotic removed it AGAIN (officially Edit Warring) and replacing it with Ineffectual Loner.

I will state again: removing Faux Action Girl ignores the entire point here.

The entire purpose of the SLNCP trope is that she is "awesome, but not awesome enough to overshadow the main character". That basic principle is the entire apex upon which the trope turns. So, a common element for a SLNCP is that she is reputedly a strong fighter, but she gets defeated by any half-decent opponent or constantly needs the hero to rescue her.

The argument of "Well if a character doesn't need help, then they're a Mary Sue" is not only irrelevant here, but ridiculous. Commonly, the Stock Light-Novel Hero IS a blatant Gary Stu. The fact that the protagonist is usually smarter than everyone, better looking than everyone, stronger than everyone, more skilled than everyone, and has more broken powers than everyone, is one of the most recognizable traits of a SLNH. So yes, if he is one of those, but the FEMALE LEAD is the one who constantly needs to be saved or rescued, then she is a Faux Action Girl. The entire point of the story is that she's always just a step behind the local Gary Stu because being equal to or better than him would ruin the Wish-Fulfillment.

Adding Ineffectual Loner here doesn't even work, because some cases aren't one. The very Trope Codifier, Rias Gremory, isn't one. It's very common for a SLNCP to actually have lots of friends/allies, but because they're all weak (usually, much weaker than her), they're of no help when she really needs it. Thus, when she meets the protagonist, even if she already has a group of close allies or teammates, it's him that she "truly needs".

Edited by NubianSatyress
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