Main Heel Face Door Slam Discussion

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07:55:37 AM Jan 23rd 2016
edited by Wyldchyld
Removed because every single example is shoehorned at best and outright not an example at worst. Reasons for each removal below because it's too much for a single edit reason.

  • In Bleach, Tosen is defeated and near death, and actually seems to be leaning toward repenting in his final moments. Then his body explodes.
    • There are a lot of these in Bleach. Gin realizes that he's spent his whole life playing the villain and was unable to kill Aizen or make Rangiku happy, Ulquiorra starts to recognize emotions just as he's disintegrating, Halibel turns on Aizen after she realizes he's just been throwing their lives away and is promptly killed for her troubles (though she turns out to be Not Quite Dead later), and Nnoitra casts a debatably meaningful glance at Nel, whom he tried to kill more than once basically just because he's a misogynist with an inferiority complex (though there's some indication that his true desire had been to provoke her into killing him).

  • At the very best, Tousen is Death Equals Redemption. He never tried to become a good guy who happened to be killed before he could do it. He remains a villain to the end, and only when the friends he betrayed show him kindness as he lies dying does he finally realise what good friends they were to him, but he's Killed Mid-Sentence during his Final Speech.
  • Gin's apologetic thoughts about Rangiku are simply about his failure to complete his task for her, not for the villainy he's performed along the way. He's glad that Ichigo can keep fighting Aizen, something Gin had previously thought Ichigo incapable of doing. Not once is he ever repentant for the villainous path he's walked all these years. He did not die a good guy, or even wanting to become a good guy - and if that had been the case, it would have been Death Equals Redemption, not this trope.
  • Ulquiorra begins to understand the nature of the heart, the emotional bonds between humans and the concept of compassion. That's all, and it has nothing to do with this trope.
  • Aizen didn't kill Harribel because she turned on him. He decided she was going to lose and decided to kill her off for being useless. After he struck her down once, she tried to attack him for attacking her, so he cut her down a second time. After that, she has no relevance to the story until a very brief scene shows she's been kidnapped when the final arc's Big Bad conquors Hueco Mundo.
  • Nnoitra was just a Blood Knight and a Death Seeker who wanted to die in battle and who hated women. The enmity between himself and Nel was unresolved. She was the last thing he ever saw as he died, but at no point did either of them change their beliefs. His death has nothing to do with this trope. Besides, the entry is Examples Are Not Arguable anyway.
01:47:35 PM Oct 30th 2015
edited by Alithia
Would getting dunked on in Undertale count as this?


Sans offers to spare the player character, giving a speech that suggests that he believes the PC can be redeemed, and if the player does take him up on his offer, he then kills the player character and tells the player to leave if they really were remorseful.
12:57:28 PM Mar 27th 2015
edited by DaibhidC
I'm not sure Miko in The Order of the Stick is actually an example. She doesn't show any signs of reforming; she dies as convinced as ever that she was entirely right about everything, and everything that went wrong as a result of her actions was actually the Order's fault. When Soon says "redemption is not for everyone", it's not that she never had a chance, it's that she never took it.
02:05:13 PM Mar 27th 2015
Absolutely not an example. She does die before she reforms... but never really does try. Cut it.
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