Main Conservation Of Ninjutsu Discussion

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07:53:04 PM Aug 31st 2016
I think many people confuse this trope with Villain Forgotto Level Grind.

  • The fact that The Hero becomes so powerful, to the point that is able to beat several enemies, who originally he had trouble beating in single combat, isn't Conservation of Ninjutsu.

04:27:52 AM Mar 8th 2013
If you're gonna ban real life examples for this trope, I would at least like to see where it was discussed. I'm pretty sure that the examples that once did exist weren't just made up. If they really did happen, then that would prove the very reason they're not allowed (that being that it can't happen in real life) wrong.
01:38:16 AM Feb 16th 2013
The Starship Troopers issue is explained in the book, the Bugs have a Warrior class and a Worker class that look almost identical except the warriors are MUCH tougher - but there're less of them. So in pitched battled they'll flood the field with plentiful Workers simply to make the good guys waste ammo and then when they're tired & low send in the tough ones. All through the battle you'll see that some of the Bugs do more damage & are harder to kill than others.
07:32:52 PM Oct 7th 2012
An interesting take on the Star Wars case they seems to belong better here than over at stormtroopers marksmanship.
04:19:47 PM Aug 21st 2012
edited by UncleSumer
what? - No real-life category? martial arts such as Akido actually apply this principal, in effect - utilizing any potential "crowding" to the attackers' disadvantage, and leveraging the practioner's edge - it becomes easier to fend, foil, and fell foes in groups (especially three or more), while also preventing being closely swarmed or overborne by a mass, limiting their engagement opportunities to only those few at once, each scarcely allowed any closing or real chance to strike or impair the flowing balanced central figure ... (mind, this gets harder versus missile weapons added to a fray...!)

08:33:15 PM May 4th 2011
There are actual real life examples that follow this trope to the letter, as well as some that follow it by accident.

Dogfighting had this in both World Wars. Bing outnumbered by a huge factor actually helps you in a dogfight, for various reasons. Also, anyone who is willing to fight against such ridiculous odds willingly is either incredibly stupid or incredibly skilled, as was the case with several famous aces in WW1 and WW2. Also often seen in WW2 where American pilots would often be outnumbered by more numerous, but less experienced and skilled (for various reasons) Japanese and German pilots in the later days of the war.
04:39:36 PM Dec 15th 2010
I think we should change the name of this trope.

I don't think this trope is accurately named, at least to the extent its name recalls laws of physics such as "the law of conservation of energy." Ninjutsu isn't conserved in TV, usually: people die, causing the universe to lose ninjutsu, and novices become experts, thus adding Ninjutsu. Therefore, ninjutsu is not conserved. But more importantly, it's not just false, it's off topic—this trope is about the inverse relationship between numbers and skill, not about how skill changes.

Let me propose a better name: Equipartition of Ninjutsu, after the Equipartition Theorem of thermodynamics. The Equipartition Theorem says that energy tends to divide itself evenly among degrees of freedom. Similarly, Equipartition of Ninjutsu says that skill tends to divide itself equally among groups of fighters in a fight. So, if it's Rambo vs. 20 Viet Cong, each Viet Cong will, for that fight, have about 1/20th the skill of Rambo, thus making a balanced fight that's interesting to watch. If it's Norrington, Jack Sparrow, and Will Turner, each will get an equal 1/3 of the total skill, making a nearly three way tie.

This trope is confusingly misnamed—let's fix it. Who's with me?
02:27:57 AM May 15th 2012
Wait, wait! I have a better one: Ninjutsu is Homeopathic!
04:00:10 PM Sep 4th 2012
How about not naming it after a particular fighting style at all?
07:31:00 AM Aug 27th 2010
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09:14:24 AM Jul 31st 2010
"Applies to Pokemon as well. Trainers with a five or six-member party are usually Bug Catchers or Fishermen, and will use lots of lower-levelled pokemon, or weaker pokemon in general (like caterpies and magikarps). A trainer with only one pokemon will be substantially higher-leveled."

Well, to be fair, the more Pokemon, the more time it takes to train them.
04:01:05 PM May 26th 2010
Several of the examples here involve small numbers of better-equipped people defeating larger numbers of less-well-equipped people (a real-world phenomenon known as force multiplication). This trope is supposed to be about smaller groups being better than larger ones BECAUSE of the size, not in spite of it.
06:15:18 PM Feb 13th 2011
what you said is realted to the zombies example given in the opening. of coruse alot of humanity is screwd in the begging, all the less able peope are gonna get eaten, plus theres alot of confusion. when 1% is left, those are gonna be the hunters, athletes, or people with acess to firepower. plus theyll be experienced by then
04:55:33 PM Mar 4th 2011
The primary advantage the zombies have early in the film is that nobody believes such a thing could happen. Little girls with bite marks are still something precious to be protected, rather than a deadly vector for the annihilation of mankind. Later in the movie, the few who remain were smart or lucky enough to figure out how not to get infected. The zombies aren't less powerful, but their greatest advantage is nullified.
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