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josephwilson
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03:01:00 AM Feb 10th 2014
Hi I was just wondering about the Doctor Who bit. I think the Daleks should be an archenemy of 3. They fought him 4 times. "Day of the Daleks", "Frontier in Space", "Planet of the Daleks" and "Death to the Daleks". That's way more than the Ice Warriors faced the Second Doctor or the Monk faced the First or the Slitheen faced the Ninth. They should be there under 3 if those guys are listed as their Doctors arch foes. The Daleks had quite a big role in Jon Pertwee's time they were the main villains in the anniversary year and had the Master as their servant. Also I think for Hercules Ares and Dahak should be his archfoes as well as they replaced Hra in later series. Ares and Dahak also killed his loved ones too and Ares was more recurring too. Its of course possible for someone to have more than one arch foe and I think personally Herc has 3.
HarleyQuinnhyenaholic
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12:14:26 PM Sep 6th 2011
Practically everybody has an Arch Enemy almost as often as there is a Big Bad. Why do we need examples stretching the page to preposterously unreadable proportions? This should be one of those pages where you don't need examples.
blueflame724
11:26:06 PM Dec 10th 2011
You do have a point; almost any relationship built on animosity could be considered one of arch enemies. Many of the examples I see on the page seem to be more fit for Rival rather than arch enemy. Maybe this should be like character alignment; unless explicitly stated, keep only official ones like the Joker and Lex.
Lale
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07:47:25 AM Sep 23rd 2010
Fact: Big Bad does not equal Arch-Enemy, or we do not need both tropes. Fact: Worthy Opponent does not equal Arch-Enemy, or we do not need both tropes. Fact: Fire Lord Ozai is the Big Bad of Avatar: The Last Airbender , but he is not Aang's Arch-Enemy. They fit none of the associated tropes listed in the main article and have nothing in common with other pairs listed as examples. Every Big Bad is not an Arch-Enemy. Fact: Azula is the series' best villain but is no other character's Arch-Enemy. It's only personal with her with Zuko — call her his Season 2-3 Arch-Enemy is you like but nothing more. Fact: Zuko is Aang's Worthy Opponent and Foe Yay stalker, but Aang was never equally obsessed with defeating Zuko or proving himself better than him, and Zuko was never concerned with besting Aang in the same way he was with Zhao — Aang was nothing but a big prize to him.  *

So it is compeltely inaccurate to call Ozai, Zuko, or Azula Aang's Arch-Enemy on Avatar: The Last Airbender . Ozai = Big Bad — different trope, different relationship.
ArcadesSabboth
08:29:49 PM Oct 22nd 2011
Do Loki and Apophis really belong here? They are Big Bads, but how is it personal for them? Loki probably has more personal animosity with Thor, Odin, or Tyr, than he does with Heimdallr. Apophis just wants to blow up the world, which requires killing the god who keeps it running.
Jobbeybob
05:03:56 PM Nov 28th 2011
edited by Jobbeybob
A part in the Buffy entry seems to just be the Buffy entry for Big Bad, except with the words "Big Bad" replaced by "Arch-Enemy". I haven't watched all of Buffy, so should the season by season part be deleted?
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