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Athena5 Since: Dec, 2015
Jan 22nd 2023 at 5:19:11 PM •••

I think there should be some clarifications posted regarding fan works that reference canon or works that reference alternate continuities. Do those go under here or under Mythology Gag, since I've seen cases of both?

Based on how the trope is described, it seems examples must reference Real Life events that didn't happen in a work. Thus, fan works referencing canon and works referencing alternate continuities would go under Mythology Gag, meaning the Fan Works section of Allohistorical Allusion is due for cleanup.

Logicus Since: Oct, 2017
Oct 11th 2017 at 3:02:40 PM •••

I've been trying to track the original source of "a failed prophet living at 4 Railway Cuttings, Nazareth." Arnold Toynbee did write an essay in "Some Problems in Greek History" speculating about the further life of Alexander the Great ("If Alexander the Great had Lived on") which mentions Heron creating steam-powered ships and other vehicles at the request of Alexander XIII, but there's no explicit mention of a failed prophet. Toynbee only says, regarding the building of a Nile-Euphrates railway, that "The building of the section that ran through the Valley of Esdraelon must have been watched, from the southern brow of the Galilean hill-country, by a boy whose father was a carpenter at Nazareth."

The specific wording in the trope page seems to come from a reference to Toynbee's essay in "The Book of General Ignorance", by John Mitchinson and John Lloyd.

FlyingV Since: Apr, 2010
May 12th 2010 at 2:58:31 PM •••

re: cutlist

There seems to be a trope here. Perhaps delete and run it through YKTTW.

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AnonymousMcCartneyfan Since: Jan, 2001
May 12th 2010 at 9:13:10 PM •••

<sigh> I just added a couple of examples — fanfic examples, but examples. I hope they make the YKTTW...

There is a fine line between recklessness and courage — Paul McCartney
FlyingV Since: Apr, 2010
May 13th 2010 at 12:13:48 PM •••

I've only gotten one example so far, but with the ones from AMF it's looking like a proper article.

AnonymousMcCartneyfan Since: Jan, 2001
May 13th 2010 at 12:19:21 PM •••

Thank you!

I gotta warn you, the Beatles are quite popular for this sort of thing in works with sufficiently recent points of divergence — and since I am a Beatles & Mc Cartney fan who also has some fondness for Alternate History, I am especially likely to run into (or seek out) and list those. I am wanting to list the Beatles references in Fatherland (both versions) now, but think maybe someone oughta list a more serious quick reference in there first...

There is a fine line between recklessness and courage — Paul McCartney
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