Discussion LogicalWeakness / MyHeroAcademia

Okay, so I’ve noticed a few issues with the AFO folder. I want to alter/delete a bunch of them, but I'd like to get other people's two cents on them first.

Firstly, and correct me if I’m wrong, but Logical Weaknesses are meant to be weaknesses of the “power” and not the “character,” right? Because I feel like quite a few of these entries just point out AFO’s flaws.

• He lost all sensory organs above his upper jaw during his battle with All Might and has to rely on stolen sensory Quirks to compensate, which doesn’t go so well when his access to his quirks is temporarily disrupted by all of them rebelling against him in unison. After Rewind undoes his disfigurement, he stops using said Quirks, but in exchange, his natural senses can now be disrupted by Quirks that target them, enabling him to fall for an Illusionary target that Camie created.

This is a weakness brought about by the lack of powers, rather than the powers themselves.

• While Garaki can replicate Quirks, it's a long, expensive, time consuming process. Garaki was captured by Endeavor and All For One lost access to any regeneration Quirk he had on him when he gave them to Tomura. This includes the actual Hyper Regeneration Quirk itself.

This straight-up isn’t a logical weakness.

• All For One's Quirk doesn't actually empower Quirks he takes, unlike One For All. As such, despite the amount of power he has, he can still be overpowered. This is shown when his Hardflame Fan Quirk is overpowered by Endeavor's Hell's Curtain.

I’ve deleted a similar entry in the past. Lacking a superpower that someone else happens to have is not a Logical Weakness. Or at least as far as I can tell. His Quirk is that he takes Quirks. Nothing about that implies that the Quirks he takes should be empowered.

• Warp Gate is an artificial Quirk made by merging multiple Quirks together, meaning it is more powerful than a natural Quirk by its nature, including All For One's own warping Quirk. Once the heroes have scattered his forces far enough from one another using Warp Gate, there's nothing All For One can do about it.

This seems like it toes the line. While it is logical that they took advantage of the fat that Warp Gate was more powerful than AFO’s warping Quirk, it doesn’t seem like a logical weakness for one power to simply be weaker than the other one.

• Even with a Super Regeneration Quirk he requires constant life support and is dependent on assistance from others for survival.
• His Quirk has one in that, while it can take any Quirk and seems to have no limit to how many Quirks it can take, the user does have physical limits which the Quirk does nothing to mitigate - and it won't be long before he reaches the limit of his physical strength.

These needs rephrasing for clarity’s sake. Why doesn’t AFO’s Super Regeneration help him with his life support? What loophole in the power is keeping it from doing that? What are examples of these “physical limits” AFO is reaching?

• All his healing abilities still need time to heal wounds. As such, damage over time attacks such as a constant electric shock or acid effectively counter it, or in the case of Rewind, continually drain his remaining time at a rapid rate.

Regeneration was already mentioned. Also, this seems more like an example of superpowers having limits, rather than a logical weakness.

• All For One is used to sheer overwhelming power and having a One-Hit Kill ability due to being able to steal someone's Quirk if they dare get into melee range with him being more than enough to win any fight. Because he's so rarely been in a real fight at all, All For One has next to no actual combat skill to begin with, and zero combat skill when it comes to melee. As such, when overwhelming opponents by spamming powerful Quirk combinations isn't enough, All For One struggles.

This is a deconstruction of Unskilled But Strong, but not a logical weakness of the power(s) itself.

• All For One is incapable of meaningfully growing as a person due to being The Sociopath and a Narcissist. This creates a blindspot in his planning, as the idea people might not react as he assumed because they've changed for the better as people is one he's fundamentally incapable of understanding. This is also implied to hinder his ability to use the Quirks he steals, as his lack of strong emotions naturally means he’s unable to pour his feelings into his Quirks to further empower them and thus only uses them at their base strength. It isn’t until he’s so infuriated at the Heroes in the final battle, that he’s able to charge a laser beam Quirk by fueling it with his rage, and is able to knock out Gigantomachia and Dark Shadow.
  • And when All For One manages to use his rage to empower his Quirks, he goes way overboard with it due to not being used to having strong emotions. As a result, he ends up pushing his Quirks far beyond what his body can handle, which makes them immensely more powerful at the cost of massively damaging his own body. In turn, Rewind automatically heals his injuries at the cost of rewinding his age much faster.

These seem more like personality flaws and not logical weaknesses. Things to put under a "Fatal Flaw" entry instead of a "Logical Weakness" entry.

This one is a bit more ambiguous:

• Furthermore, All For One can't outright destroy any of the Quirks he acquires, just keep them and then pass them on. This bites him in the ass hard when he takes Star and Stripe's New Order after killing her; before dying, Star placed a rule on it that made it rebel against All For One and attack all of the other Quirks inside of him when he takes it. He has no way to get rid of it without someone to pass it on to, so it just proceeds to whoop his ass from the inside.

Does this qualify as a Logical Weakness? Because while an inability to get rid of the Quirks that he has can be considered an aversion of Required Secondary Powers, it can also come across as a separate power that he happens to not have access to. Just because his power gives and takes Quirks doesn't necessarily imply that he can get rid of them at will any more than, say, a light switch being able to turn a light off and on implies that it is a dimmer switch. I won't edit it out because this is much more plausible than the Gigantomachina entry, but I do still feel the need to question its validity.

This is my first time using the Discussion page, so tell me if I did something wrong.

I have a question about this entry:

• Gigantomachia is massive, incredibly tough, and nearly unstoppable, but he still has to breathe and is presumably as vulnerable to Midnight's sleep gas as anyone else. "Presumably" because the villains don't give Midnight the chance to try and take her out while Gigantomachia is on the rampage, forcing her to tell Yaoyorozu to create anesthesia drugs to make him ingest and hopefully knock him out. However, even when the students successfully make him eat one large vial, Gigantomachia's sheer vitality lets him shrug the effects off and keep going on the warpath for a little while longer.

Namely, how does this fit on the "Logical Weakness" page? Gigantomachina's weakness to sedatives and anesthetics aren't a logical weakness of his powers. His abilities don't make him more susceptible to the gas than anyone else. Logical weaknesses are for when a character's powers make them more susceptible to a particular thing than other people, not when they're just as affected by something as everyone else usually is.