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ShazamJr Since: Oct, 2014
Feb 23rd 2019 at 7:56:29 PM •••

The series has plenty of funny and heartwarming moments in it. Shouldn't there be pages for each of them respectively?

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ShazamJr Since: Oct, 2014
Feb 24th 2019 at 7:13:52 AM •••

Nice to know. I'd do it myself but I'm pretty sure I'd mess it up.

Lyner Since: Sep, 2014
Oct 8th 2017 at 2:31:01 PM •••

Is it really appropriate to call Touya a Heteronormative Crusader? The way it's presented gives a very skewed image of things. The only part I've seen where he deals with the concept of homosexuality at all is in one section which, given its context, does not paint him as really homophobic or anything of the like. He is running a book café and was asked to collect a long list of books, all of them, judging by their titles, extremely hardcore yaoi erotica. Several of them suggest either capture or a master/servant kink. This thus not only makes him look gay to be buying such things, but extremely hardcore. Even if the material was heteronormative in content the extreme nature implied even by the title would make it entirely understandable to call it "indecent". Furthermore, he panics mainly when he's in the presence of a panting, rabid fujoshi writer who basically jumped him and started to yell out fantasies of him trying to blackmail and enslave the prince of her kingdom, or marrying Yumina in order to get to her father. And "normal" is a frequently used term in anime/manga/light novels to mean "straight". Really there's nothing to suggest he's all that opposed to the concept of homosexuality, much less the sort of active desire to suppress it described in the trope. You don't have to be an anti-gay fanatic to be upset to discover that your bookstore is now 75% guy-on-guy S&M that makes Fifty Shades look tame.

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NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016
Oct 9th 2017 at 1:54:24 AM •••

The subjects of homosexuality, cross-dressing, and other things of that nature are brought up in subtle ways all of the time. For another example in addition to the aforementioned Yaoi books, when Touya finds out that Regina had a relationship with Pure Liora, his inner monologue makes it clear that the idea that she had sex with another female disturbs him a little. He even brings it up a few times later as well.

There are several other instances where Touya refers to someone with implied homosexuality or transsexuality as "perverse" or "that kind of person" or refers constantly refers to himself as "normal" or "healthy" in rejection of someone thinking the same of him. I really don't think it matters how common this reaction is in Japanese media to apply. The author chose to include jokes about heteronormativity, using his protagonist as a lens to view it, and that makes it a trope—common or not.

The original trope I was going to put was Have I Mentioned I Am Heterosexual Today?, but that iddn't quite fit to me, because he doesn't usually actually say these thoughts aloud or try to prove his straightness to anyone else. I tried to look for other options as well, but Heteronormative Crusader seemed to come the closest to how it's portrayed at the time. Looking at it again, maybe Queer People Are Funny would be a better fit for the main page rather than as a character trope.

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Lyner Since: Sep, 2014
Oct 9th 2017 at 6:54:43 PM •••

I'd still say that the trope is off, since it appears to mainly be about people who are active in their rejection of things that aren't heteronormative, and while Touya might have opinions, I don't think I've heard of him as actively trying to do anything or denounce someone for doing something he disapproves of, at least not on this level.

Also, my point with "normal" was that it really is apparently like saying "straight", as in within that context the statement "I'm normal" is the standard phrase, not a way to express disapproval of that which is not "normal"

NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016
Oct 9th 2017 at 6:59:49 PM •••

I already switched the trope to Queer People Are Funny, since it's basically "homosexuality, real or fake, being played for laughs".

But again, "normal" being used as a synonym for "straight" is considered bigoted language in LGBT circles. Even in Japan's LGBT culture, people don't like that word being used.

NubianSatyress Curly Goddess Since: Mar, 2016
Curly Goddess
Sep 23rd 2017 at 9:11:05 AM •••

Gonna start working on a Characters page today. Shouldn't be too hard to make.

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MasterHero Since: Aug, 2014
Sep 23rd 2017 at 9:18:47 AM •••

Yes, but that would mean moving some tropes into the Characters page.

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