At first glance, it looks good. Seems like a good step and in line with the divisions we've already got.
Beyond my general preference for model pics (or combined symbol and model pics) in tabletop game character page entries, it looks fine.
The following was added today:
- Teeth-Clenched Teamwork: A special set of rules exists to allow Clan Pestilens to fight alongside the Daemons of Nurgle, allowing their troops to have the same stat improvements that are conferred by Nurgle's blessings. The problem here is that Nurglings find it disturbing to be near any skaven of Clan Pestilens which means the relationship between both parties is hardly mutual due to the latter looking down at the upstart skaven with a xenophobic distrust.
As far as I am aware, the only rules that allowed such joint forces is from The End Times but it could possibly be referance to some allies rules. Either way, the example either needs moving or rewiting and I don't have enough knowledge to do myself at the moment so would like more information if possible.
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If anything, I think this should be rewritten entirely because this trope would should focus more on the Skaven clans themselves rather than a Nurgle/Clan Pestilens alliance. Also I think this rule comes from Age of Sigmar but I could be wrong (the Skaven did ally with the Forces of Chaos in the End Times after all so maybe?).
The following example was added today:
- Was Once a Man: Was Once A Dwarf, rather. The origins of the Skaven are Shrouded in Myth, but it is implied that the Skaven are to Dwarfs what the Beastmen are to Humans. The two most popular explanations are that the first Skaven was Skavor, exiled son of the Ancestor God Gazul, or that a meteor of warpstone caused rats to merge with the Dwarfs living in Kazvar, the city which is now Skavenblight.
Is there any evidence of this in the background or novels from the actual tabletop game rather than Total War as it bares little resemblance to the Skaven origin story I remember from the Army Books. if it is just from Total War then it should only be on the Total War pages not here.
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I wasn't sure about that myself, but I haven't been current for a while, not the last few editions.
I'm late to the party on this one, but I just did some digging to see where these points came from. I've previously never heard about the bit about Skavor, but it looks like it came from the Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay book Children of the Horned Rat, where there's a paragraph on page 11 talking about how Skavor turned himself into a "hideous rat beast" after getting exiled. The second point about Kazvar in the entry came from a short story titled "The Doom of Kazvar" in the 7th Edition Skaven army book on the actual tabletop game. The Warhammer Wiki has the full story in their page for the Skaven if you want to look it up yourself.
TLDR: The entry is citing background material from the Warhammer tabletop game and the roleplaying game, not just getting it from the Total War videogame.
Edited by ThraggLootrippa Always late for everything.
The part about Skavor wasn't what I was questioning (I guessed that was from WFRP, that had lots of gods that haven't been mentioned in the main game for decades) it was the warpstone meteor causing rats to merge with Dwarfs I was doubtful of. The Doom of Kazvar was the very first piece of Skaven background material I ever read back in 1993 and that (and the version on the Warhammer wiki) explicitly state that the Dwarfs were the first victims of the Skaven not that they turned into them:
"In the ancient hall of kingship they found the Dwarfs, now naught but gnawed bones and scrapes of cloth."
Yeah, the paragraph about Skavor is the only one that directly states that a Dwarf turned into a Skaven. In The Doom of Kazvar, the only line that references mutation is "... the newborn babies of the manlings were hideously twisted.", which could mean practically anything. I guess if you go through some mental gymnastics, you could spin that some of the Dwarfs mutated into Skaven offscreen then ate their own, but I can't see any real implication of that.
If we add the Was Once a Man example back in, I think the Doom of Kazvar part should be dropped entirely. I didn't find any other material that supports the "Dwarfs into Skaven" idea, and I don't remember any Warhammer novel/book I've read ever discussing this idea.
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I think a properly worded Multiple-Choice Past or Early Instalment Weirdness (as I am guessing the Skavor part is from one of the previous editions of WFRP) would be better.
That's a better idea, yeah. I've never really looked at WFRP, but I was able to find out when that information about Skavor showed up; the Children of the Horned Rat book was a supplement for the 2nd edition of WFRP published in 2006, according to Wikipedia's article on it.
You can definitely use either/both of your suggested tropes, considering the 4th edition started in 2018 and is ongoing, and these origin stories were added into the background material at different times by different authors.
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Should we add a folder for the Horned Rat? I mean, the Chaos Dwarfs page has a folder for Hashut.
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As long as there are enough tropes for him to justify a folder (preferably at least 3). Always remember that this is a trope wiki not a Games Workshop wiki so it is the tropes that should come first.
I'm thinking of adding a folder for the Skaven clans overall. I've got plenty of tropes, enough to justify subsections for the big four and another for the warlord clans collectively, but given that it'd end up being a pretty big edit I'd like to test the waters before I go ahead with it. I've got my current "draft" up on my sandbox page for whoever wants a look.
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