Discussion Characters / WarcraftTheHordeQuelThalas

Long story short, Garrosh used the Dalaran portal network to steal the Divine Bell from Darnassus, then set up the Sunreavers to take the fall for the theft.

serialkillerwhale (who has a history of removing entries that paint the Horde in a good light and being increbily pro-Alliance biased), claims that Aethas was in on the heist, despite the events of Landfall making it blatantly clear he was set up.

The events of landfall you claim, point towards Aethas either looking in another dierection, or being part and parcel of it, coreced or willingly.

We have so far, the fact that sunreaver guards immediately pulled out weapons when Jaina entered, Aetha's incredibly suspicious "I did nothing", his shifting during Lor'themar's speech (A very common sign of guilt they put in there for a reason), and the speed at which the sunreavers put up an armed force.

Those aren't the signs of a few people. It's the signs of a group that reaches straight up to the higher reaches of their leadership.

Nevertheless, some blood elves did commit the act, as sunreavers, abusing dalaran to aid the Horde aquire artifacts for war, in classic karmic irony, they gave free access of Dalaran to the Alliance, and lost it themselves.

I've put my evidence and arguement out, please do the same, and I don't mean just say "He am not horde biased, therefore he bad".

Doesn't Lor'themar's character page on the World Of Warcraft site specifically say that Garrosh set the Sunreavers up?

It says he ordered the organized it, and had blood elves do all the stealing, thus sabotaging lor'themar.

Whether Aethas was cowed into looking away, looked away and hoped it wouldn't be noticed, or was in on it, or just plain ignorant of it completely, we have no idea.

Then Laser-Guided Karma doesn't fit, seeing as it is too controversial to be actually confirmed.

Not to Aethas or Lor'themar themselves no, but the sunreavers, or at least some of them, had a hand in it.

But yes, Considering how much of a Base Breaker the Purge itself is, I'll just put it on the YMMV Page if it's ok with everyone.

SKW, you're arguing that a military organization that lives a short flight away from Icecrown wouldn't be able to react quickly to a sudden attack. And that's ignoring the fact that it's no secret that Veressa would love an excuse to kill them all, even before Rhonin died. It's not suspicious at all that they mobilized quickly.

As for the sunreavers pulling out weapons the instant Jaina appeared in Atheas's room unannounced? Those could have been his bodyguards, and they'd be pretty shitty guards if they didn't draw their weapons the instant they heard something teleport into their boss's room.

Finally, the claims about Atheas are simply too ambiguous to make a judgement at this point in time. One could just as easily claim that he knew about the plot, and COULD have exposed it, but doing so would have caused Garrosh to retaliate. He didn't feel it would be a good idea to expose the plot until he could be absolutely certain that the Alliance wouldn't just double-cross them and leave them at Garrosh's nonexistent mercy. He feels guilty because he hesitated too long and his window of opportunity shut sooner than he'd expected.

Also, considering that Lor'themar was in talks with Varian about rejoining the Alliance, I can only assume this means that the majority of Blood Elves would go along with such a decision (or at the very least, Lor'themar was confident that this was the case). I cannot see a large group of Sunreavers being complicit. Not only is it a shitty tactical decision (a small rouge cell is easier to hide and control), it makes no sense for a large group of Blood Elves to willingly side with someone who keeps sending them on suicide missions, especially considering that "racist asshole sending us on suicide missions" was the reason they ditched the Alliance in the first place.

So your saying the Sunreavers are a military organization when they were a political group under Aethas to represent the Horde in Dalaran, oh and Veressa had and excuse to go Kill Them All but instead chose reason.

And the Sunreavers pulling out weapons was suspicious, for so in that they didn't stop once they affirmed it was Jaina, and that the guards were positioned in that manner, with Aethas far away, if they were bodyguards, atleast some would be nearby Aethas instead of in a position to ambush anyone who teleported into what is likely the usual teleporting zone, (given how people always seem to teleport into the entrance, yes, that's likely)

And in general, it's already proven he looked the other way, he knew something was up. He enough, and why would the Alliance double cross them? It's been the elves leaving the humans out to rot every single time.

Lor'themar would likely be able to convince them to do so, but many elves are still, as usual, hold grudges against the Alliance in their typical Never My Fault attitude, and the fact that he has enough influence to have Aetha's own favored choice in the group means something.

There's too much pointing towards the sunreaver's being complicit and too little pointing towards something else.