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These entries are being disputed in some fashion. Please sort it out here instead of edit warring and hurling snotty edit reasons at each other.
- The Archmage: Every Lord of Change is a heavy-duty spellcaster and mighty wizard that can rival the likes of the Slann Mage Priests, but due to his trip to the Well, Kairos's power grew massively resulting in him becoming the most powerful of Tzeentch's Greater Daemons.
- Bird People: He's a Lord of Change, a daemon resembling an immense, blue humanoid bird.
- The Dragon: To Tzeentch himself, as the greatest of his daemonic minions.
- Mad Oracle: A variation of it. Kairos gained the ability to not only see the future but also everything that happened in the past (but somehow he's incapable of seeing what will happen in the present) after he managed to survive being in the Well of Eternity. This also left him permanently insane, and his heads will bicker and argue about what is really going to happen and what isn't.
- Multiple Head Case: His trip to the Well gave Kairos two heads — one that sees the future, and one that sees the past.
- Seers: He can see the myriad possibilities of the future with one head, and the unfiltered past with the other. Ironically, each head is incapable of perceiving the world any other way, making Kairos blind to the present.
- Squishy Wizard: Even by the standards of Lords of Change, Kairos is no melee powerhouse. Due to his visit in the Well, Kairos's body became very old and shriveled, and his inability to see the present gives him a blind spot in close combat. He does makes it up with sheer magic power other Lords of Change don't have.
- With Great Power Comes Great Insanity: If he wasn't insane already, then he is now. After Tzeentch threw him into the Well of Eternity (and after he managed to crawl out of it), Kairos gained the ability to see the past and future along with a massive boost to his power. This however left him a Mad Oracle constantly jabbering about anything and everything that can, has, and will happen.
Mad Oracle, the Archmage, Multiple Head Case are the three that I think should stay. The rest is up for debate, though I wouldn't mind the Squishy Wizard trope being removed until after we know for sure how squishy he is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2muTpEXIg9E
3:06 of the recent videos timeline. The narrator actually brings up the lore that is also mentioned in the tropes (particularly his Multiple Head Case and Seers trope). I think this gives even more reason to have those tropes remain.
Personally, this makes removing said tropes even more of a waste of editing tbh (*coughTheriocephaluscough*)
Admittedly this whole debacle has made me rather exasperated.
Edited by LordAraghast
Bird People and Multiple Head Case are evident from just looking at the character, and both Mad Oracle, Seers and the backstory behind the head thing are mentioned in the video that Araghast linked, so those can all stay. I'm more torn about The Archmage, however, because the trope is centered specifically around a character being an apex of in-universe magical power and/or ruling over other wizards, and I don't think that that's been mentioned yet.
Wouldn't The Archmage apply to all Tzeentchian Lords whatever their individual lore is? Seeign as Tzeentch is the god of magic and all lords of Changes are expert spellcasters regardless of their individual ranks?
I think all of the tropes being disputed can be readded, though The Archmage for Kairos should, at least for now, be appended to something like "He's a Lord of Change. This trope is a given." Otherwise, all of the disputed tropes have been mentioned in trailers, so we can assume they are confirmed for the full game.
If they've been mentioned in trailers then they're acceptable by definition, as long as there's at least a commented-out note noting where the material is from.
The Archmage refers specifically to the most powerful individual wizard in a setting, so it's not a general trope. I'm also not comfortable with just saying "This trope is a given", since that doesn't explain how the trope is used and is thus a Zero-Context Example. I don't think it's a serious problem to just hold off on adding that one trope until it's clearer how Kairos will handle in the finished game.
Newest dev post for the game was about Kairos, and I think it finally gave us an example for The Archmage:
- The Archmage: Even within the setting, Kairos stands out as the most powerful of the Lords of Change, and this carries over to the game - Kairos knows information on all of the Lores of Magic and can use this to modify his spells between battles using pieces of said spells, giving him a completely unique magic arsenal for each battle.
In light that there hasn't been an objection to this proposal, I'll be adding this trope to Kairos' folder.
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Once the game launches in full, this page will likely need a split and probably a full rename.
Firstly, Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch and Slaanesh are distinct factions, and distinct factions have so far gotten distinct pages. Even without that, they will each likely amass enough tropes to make them more manageable as distinct pages. However, a hub page for their shared tropes will still probably be a good thing to have.
However, the page probably should be renamed — the trailers and gameplay teasers have shown that the factions do in fact include non-trivial amounts of human warriors, so "Daemons of Chaos" isn't actually an accurate name.
That said, specific action should probably wait until the game releases, if only to have the full picture and to see what these factions' relationship will be with the current Warriors of Chaos faction, which might inform what an appropriate name could be.
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I apologize for necroing this - but just to add to this. If the Do C page was split into four pages for each God, where would Be'lakor be put if he theoretically got in? Would he be on the Wo C page or would be in the "Other" portion of the Characters page?
Never mind me, I was rereading your comment and I noticed "hub page for all of them". I assume just for simplicity he (if he got in) would go on there.
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Can we list some of the game mechanics for Tzeentch that were revealed in the latest blog post for Total War: Warhammer III, or do those count under advertising for the purpose of Upcoming Works and thus cannot be troped just yet?
Here are videos for reference of the Undivided Daemons and such:
1) Announcement Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uebto73ZUFQ
2) Book of Grudges video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr6lfxziC_w&t
(WARNING! Spoilers further in the videos timeline)
3) Milk And Cookies TW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlnpDMgxflE&t
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