I vote for the third option, with at least the second option being done. Characters should not have more than one entry as it gets too confusing.
The third option means that there would be no Fulcrum II header. But yeah, I'm going with the second option.
EDIT: But the problem is the spoilers?
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That is an issue. Maybe keep them separate until the end of the mid-season break? That would give people a reasonable enough time period to have seen the episodes.
Sounds good to me. Until then, I'll keep some of the things like the underentry under the %%.
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Now that he's undergone a full heel-face turn, we can probably combine the pages.
So why exactly are there two entries for Ashoka? She is no longer a Jedi (something Dave Filoni explicitly states in the newest Rebels Recon), so her whole entry should just be moved over to this page and combined with the Fulcrum entry.
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Well for all intent and purpose these are two diffrent people as Ahsoka is older and alot diffrent than her Clone Wars time, and since she is not a main character here like she was in TCW it is fine that she would have a page as Fulcrum the Rebel Leader and a page as Ashoka jedi in training. Should she gain a lot more focus and there is more references to her clone wars time I would indorse combining the entries.
It's still the same character. Who she is in Rebels is influenced heavily by what happened to her in TCW. One of the reasons all the old character pages got merged was so that there would not be separate character entries for the same canon character.
Well, I'd say part of it is for spoiler reasons. If Fulcrum's identity is only revealed in the season finale, it's a pretty major spoiler.
... but then the rest of the entry makes no attempt to hide her identity so... yeah.
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Same reason members of the Gaang have entires for their appearences on Legend of Korra separated from their entries for Avatar: The Last Airbender, or why Anakin and Vader have separate entries over here. Ahsoka in TCW was a Jedi student, and her depiction in the series focused on this aspect of her character quite a bit, and it defined her relations to other characters. The Ahsoka on Rebels might be the same person, but the role she's going to play is completely different, and so will be the character-dynamics between her and others. Quite frankly I think Luke should get a separate entry for his role in the sequel-trilogy as well.
The difference compared to the pages pre-merging, is that those entries were separated at medium-level, and this is separation on a role-level. Personally I'd also like it better if she had one entry, but I see the logic behind keeping things separated for now at least.
The separation for Anakin and Vader makes sense to me: those are two entirely different personalities, whereas this is simply an older Ahsoka.
Perhaps if we divided it up some? If you look at Ahsoka's current entry you will note there is a separate section for "Dark" Ahsoka. Perhaps we can have one folder for her on this page divided into sections for General Appearance tropes (like Facial Markings) that would apply to her consistently, TCW Era tropes, Rebels era tropes, and then the "Dark" Ahsoka tropes. I think I have seen some other character pages set up like that, so it would not be without precedent.
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I've made a test version of my suggestion in the previous post on my Sandbox page. Suggestions or criticisms are welcome.
I've thought about that too, and kind of even like it, but if her entry had stuff related to her time with the Jedi, what would that info be doing on a page titled "Rebel Cells"? Especially since right now, the "Padawan" entry would be considerably larger than the "Fulcrum" entry. And the Dark Ahsoka entry would be even more badly out-of-place than on the Jedi Order page, since it was a one-time Brainwashed and Crazy moment, and has even less to do with her role as a Rebel leader, than with her apprenticeship.
Well, its because it really has nothing to do with that, IMO. This would be Ahsoka's character folder, and would simply go on any page that she has her most recent allegiance to (in this case these rebel cells), regardless of whether all the tropes have something to do with her role as a rebel leader. Like Darth Maul: we don't have separate entries for him as a Sith in the films and a independent power in TCW. Same with Ackbar: there are not separate entries for him as a Mon Cala captain in TCW and a Rebel Admiral in the OT era.
And really, Ahsoka doesn't belong on the Jedi Order page anymore. She left the Jedi Order and no longer identifies as a Jedi, as per comments made by Filoni.
Also, I think other tropes like Action Girl could be condensed into the general section at the top, with only more specific character tropes going in the other sections.
EDIT: I'm working on a separate sandbox page now
to work on a couple of different options I think might work.
Kind of similar to the Ahsoka/Fulcrum entries issue, how are we going to deal with the Kallus/Fulcrum II entries this time? The thing is Kallus doesn't have a lot of things going on with him (like Fulcrum!Ahsoka has enough things going on with her to warrant her being a separate entry from Padawan!Ahsoka).
Either:
- The Agent Kallus entry is for tropes that apply to Kallus when he's not actively Fulcrum II, and the Fulcrum II page only counts for moments where he's Fulcrum II (ex. his transmissions). The problem is that this can be confusing as to where tropes would be sorted and might get redundant.
- Move the trope list of Fulcrum II to beneath the Agent Kallus entry (like how the Attack On Titan character pages have entries divided for two parts ('Tropes that apply to the second half of the series'), for example, see Attack on Titan: 104th Trainee Corps.)
- Fuse the entries into one; the Fulcrum II tropes go into the Agent Kallus entry completely.
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