Okay, so I've been rewatching SEED HD Remaster because it's currently available on Youtube for free by Gundaminfo, and something that's been bothering me is that I don't remember seeing any kind of Foe Romance Subtext between Lacus and Creuset, and that hasn't changed after the rewatch. Creuset taking orders from her seems more like him not wanting to lose his reasonable competent commander image (with him privately cursing her before following her orders); he does use honorifics when addressing her (Lacus-jou, translated as Miss Lacus); there's no mention of Lacus being indebted to him for a few things; her asking if the Vesalius will be back for the memorial service seems like the polite thing to ask, not to mention if the Vesalius is back then Athrun should be back as well; and the only time she speaks to him is in episode 12, which hardly seems like a mark of favor.
I'll concede the point that Creuset seems to hold Lacus in the highest regards, and he does confess that he loves to listen to her songs in the final episode, but even if taken romantically that seems more like a one-sided Villainous Crush to me. As such, I personally want to remove the entry, but I want to hear other people opinion first.
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Was that added by the troper who had an insistence that Rau and Lacus were direct references to The Phantom of the Opera and made incredibly tenuous connections to that regard?
EDIT: Did some digging and yeah, that entry was added by Harotype. It's even more pronounced on Rau's entry on Characters.Mobile Suit Gundam SEEDZAFT.
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Well, if no one else got any opinion on it I'll remove it in, like, 10 hours or so.
Aside from the beginning when Lacus reprimand Rau, they didn't interact much, if at all after that. Imo, you can remove that entry.
I also wouldn’t object to removing the entry altogether.
He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
I forgot to post here, but the entry is now removed. Thank you for the thoughts everyone.
A recent edit on this page switched Official Couple to Beta Couple here for Athrun and Cagalli.
My questions :
- Are the Official Couple and Beta Couple tropes mutually exclusive ? I personally think not but I prefer asking first.
- The Beta Couple page cites that the Beta Couple is a secondary couple being a foil to the main couple, I agree with that but they are not that secondary compared to Kira and Lacus. But also cites that things goes usually smoother than the main couple, while I agree that Athrun and Cagalli are indeed the Beta Couple in that sense for Kira and Lacus in Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Freedom (due to both Athrun and Cagalli being Demoted to Extra), this is not the case in Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny where they face far more hardships than Kira and Lacus where their couple goes well in SEED Destiny. In fact, even in Mobile Suit Gundam SEED, before becoming a couple, Athrun and Cagalli encounters were far from nice (to say the least) compared to Kira and Lacus who never have an argument on screen in SEED and SEED Destiny. With this context, are Athrun and Cagalli really a Beta Couple ? Maybe an inverted one ?
After reflexion and overall in the Cosmic Era, I think both Kira/Lacus and Athrun/Cagalli are Beta Couple to each other : Kira/Lacus have things going smoother for them in SEED Destiny (and arguably SEED) than Athrun/Cagalli while the situation is reversed in SEED Freedom where Kira/Lacus faces hardships while Athrun/Cagalli didn't have problems in their couple.
I am inclined to restore Athrun/Cagalli Official Couple entry and adding a Beta Couple entry for both couples. But I wanted opinions first before doing so. And also to prevent edit wars.
Thoughts on that ?
I have asked that here
too
Discussion closed here : https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13543987200A54420100&page=1254#comment-31331
Sorry for the inconvenience.
This page had now the "too long" note. I think this warrant a split. I suggest this one :
What do you think ? I will suggest it on the dedicated forum but I want to have an opinion here first.
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