Characters Deus Ex Human Revolution Discussion

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10:09:46 AM Oct 21st 2011
edited by BornIn1142
Okay, this is getting ridiculous.

The issue seems to be that Zaptech doesn't want to have a "bad" trope in the bunch. This is just being disingenuous. Adam shows pretty clear examples of Cutscene Incompetence, no matter how you justify it. Many players have commented on this.
05:07:36 PM Oct 21st 2011
Also, I would really like to know where Zaptech got his information from. Because nowhere in the game is it ever shown that Zhao used a CASIE mod, etc.
08:36:35 PM Oct 21st 2011
The idea that Zhao is using a CASIE mod, along with Barett using the silent step mod, is just Fan Wank. It would make sense, as both have extensive modifications, and one more one be particuarly noticed. However, nowhere is it actually stated or shown, so I guess it would still be Cutscene Incompotence unless a developer explicitly says that's what happened.
05:04:04 AM Oct 23rd 2011
edited by BornIn1142
It doesn't even matter. Like I pointed out, all these excuses would make this an example of a Justified Trope (at best), but the trope is still there. And so what? I don't see the big deal about having such an "inherently negative" trope there.
05:48:19 AM Oct 24th 2011
edited by Zaptech
It's not that I don't want "bad" tropes, it's just that I'm a bit obsessive-compulsive about making sure that tropes stick to their definitions. I get especially anal about "negative" tropes. Sometimes that overrides good sense.

But part of the problem is the term "incompetence" which means that a character's intelligence or ability suddenly drops significantly when a cutscene starts. If a character's "incompetence" is a result of anything other than a sudden lack of ability or intelligence, then it's not a case of incompetence in the first place.

Having rewatched the scene with Barret, he does make several loud clanking footsteps while coming up behind Jensen. IIRC, it is stated in-game that Zhao has a CASIE installed, but I'll need to dig it up (and either way, there's no evidence she even uses it). The only one I'll contest is Namir getting the drop on Jensen, because he is being distracted. Not being able to hear a big huge guy walking up behind one in a large, silent room is incompetence. Not noticing a man who is disguised among a dozen other near-identical statues while having a conversation with an already-dangerous woman (who has already gotten the drop on you once before) wielding a threatening remote is not incompetence.

Anyway, I'll drop it.
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