There are a ton of optional diaries hidden in various corners of game that expand upon some lore details that are otherwise unstated in the main story. There's one such diary in one of the abandoned huts in Musa in the final chapter. While it doesn't say any names, it does mention Innana's "black-haired companion" and this oddly specific phrasing makes it very easy to deduce who it's actually referring to.
That one shitbag
Should we separate the Bravebearer into a Musan Asterisk Bearers section? They're not really Halcyonian.
I'm here, I guess.
If every trope needs to have sources cited and direct references to the demo, why even open unreleased media to troping in the first place? Why not just lock them until they officially release?
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The pages are open for editing because there can be valid examples from the trailer/demo.
The policy is in place to prevent examples from making statements about the work as a whole before it can possibly be known that they are correct.
Im sorry but how are some of these 'speculation'?
Several of them are directly quoted from the characters themselves.
I think you went overboard on this.
Like Seth's if I've helped even one person, then I've done the right thing.
It's a clear as day quote from the demo trailer. It's not speculation.
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Rallybot 2, you really need to calm down with this excessive speculative tagging. The Creating a Work Page for an Upcoming Work page cites that both trailers and demos purport to represent the work as a whole and are valid sources for tropes, and we have two several hour demos and multiple trailers representing this work from which we can confidently draw tropes from. All of it should be fair game, provided people cite the source as one of the demos, which frankly should be covered by a disclaimer at the top of the page until the game releases to avoid redundant mentions of one in every line.
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The problem with just putting a "everything is based on the trailers and demos" disclaimer is what happens once the work is released and the actual work tropes get mixed with the stuff that's only from the demos. We are not allowed to speculate about the content of the work before it is released.
If examples cite a specific trailer or demo (or "all pre-release material" as some on this page do) they remain accurate even if the work changes them.
The second demo is literally part of the final release with a time limit on it.
Its not speculative in anyway.
If any of the tropes listed are speculatative they should be uniquely removed, there's a reason there were so few tropes and that was due to the lack of info.
Clothes make the Super Man is a general trope for the Asterisk holders in this game because weve seen them lose their asterisks and they lose their outfits.
We also know the Asterisk holder's names so hiding their folders wholesale is just overkill.
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Even demanding the demo or pre-release material disclaimer creates the reverse problem of a product that is being advertised prior to its release having tropes that need to have the disclaimers all removed once it's released, as it's close enough to release now that few to none of these things will be significantly different from the final product.
That's good and all, but the thing is we have a policy about such examples in Creating a Work Page for an Upcoming Work. You'd need to go here
to request a change.
Okay but beyond one single rule rwgarding sources, nothing he taking out is breaking any if those rules.
In fact some of them even had sources.
And he still took them out as speculation. Hes going completely overboard.
I've locked the page due to folks repeatedly adding examples without citations, which we require for unreleased works.
Please raise any edit requests, unlocking requests here, thanks. Comments on this page will just be ignored.
Some tropes here are suggesting Seth is the companion that the human Night's Nexus was travelling with. Having just finished the game, I did not find anything to suggest this concretely, and online seems to suggest it's simply a fan theory. Can someone confirm if those examples in Seth and Night's Nexus' folders should be there?
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