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\\\"I have to strongly disagree. In the first and second games Shepard can\\\'t prove any of his claims (his visit was simply to follow Saren, he never was able to prove that Saren was under the control of any Reapers)\\\"

Factually incorrect. His mission was to \\\'\\\'deal\\\'\\\' with Saren. Plus all of this? He had other reliable witnesses who could vouch for seeing the Reapers, seeing the Protheans, seeing the beacons, etc. At this point, trying to say \\\"Well that\\\'s not RELIAAAAABLE\\\" is going out of your way to dispute his evidence. Also, they are incapable of explaining....oh...\\\'\\\'how the hell Shephard teleported all the way across the galaxy and landed on the Citadel, which was now on fire and being attacked by the very thing he kept telling you was going to attack you.\\\'\\\' Thus proving that, oh, hey, maybe the guy that did all that can in fact be taken at his word given that he\\\'s clearly done more to keep the very people disbelieving him alive than they ever will. Oh, and he was \\\'\\\'explicitly\\\'\\\' hired as a Spectre based on their trust in him to do the job he\\\'s supposed to be doing for them, so dismissing him because what he says is politically inconvenient (and yea, the game isn\\\'t subtle that this is exactly what is going on) does not make them have anything approaching a valid point.

You give no reason why any of his teammates should be dismissed out of hand. Just that they work with Shephard, therefore, they should automatically be dismissed because \\\"reasons.\\\"

Neither character has any point, and you\\\'ve kind of proven that.

In retrospect, this might honestly prove that these characters are juggling {{Idiot Ball}}s since otherwise BioWare had written themselves into a corner.
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\\\"I have to strongly disagree. In the first and second games Shepard can\\\'t prove any of his claims (his visit was simply to follow Saren, he never was able to prove that Saren was under the control of any Reapers)\\\"

Factually incorrect. His mission was to \\\'\\\'deal\\\'\\\' with Saren. Plus all of this? He had other reliable witnesses who could vouch for seeing the Reapers, seeing the Protheans, seeing the beacons, etc. At this point, trying to say \\\"Well that\\\'s not RELIAAAAABLE\\\" is going out of your way to dispute his evidence. Also, they are incapable of explaining....oh...\\\'\\\'how the hell Shephard teleported all the way across the galaxy and landed on the Citadel, which was now on fire and being attacked by the very thing he kept telling you was going to attack you.\\\'\\\' Thus proving that, oh, hey, maybe the guy that did all that can in fact be taken at his word given that he\\\'s clearly done more to keep the very people disbelieving him alive than they ever will. Oh, and he was \\\'\\\'explicitly\\\'\\\' hired as a Spectre based on their trust in him to do the job he\\\'s supposed to be doing for them, so dismissing him because what he says is politically inconvenient (and yea, the game isn\\\'t subtle that this is exactly what is going on) does not make them have anything approaching a valid point.

You give no reason why any of his teammates should be dismissed out of hand. Just that they work with Shephard, therefore, they should automatically be dismissed because \\\"reasons.\\\"

Neither character has any point, and you\\\'ve kind of proven that.
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