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22nd Jul '17 4:14:36 PM star3catcher
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** In the pilot episode "[[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS1E1Caretaker Caretaker]]", we're supposed to see Janeway's decision to destroy the Array that brought them to the Delta Quadrant in order to protect the Ocampa, rather than using it to get home, as a noble choice. However, Tuvok pointed out that destroying the Array would not only leave them stranded but could be considered a violation of the Prime Directive because it would affect the balance of power in that sector. He's waved off with a one sentence bit of "wisdom" from Janeway about how they're already involved so the Prime Directive no longer applies. When B'lanna also objects, she's told to shut up because Janeway is the captain. What's frustrating is that they undermined the whole dilemma by having Tuvok mention that the Array would take several hours to use without the Caretaker's help and that was before a Kazon ship crashed into it, disabling the self-destruct and God knows how many other systems, so they probably couldn't use it in the time they had.
21st Jul '17 7:49:55 AM UglyPanda
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* In ''Film/WaynesWorld'', an "evil" businessman (played by 90s-sleezeball-incarnate Rob Lowe) offers our heroes, Wayne and Garth, a $10,000 advance to do a professionalized version of their public access TV show, securing money to sponsor the show from a successful local businessman. Wayne, addressing the audience in an earlier scene, tells us that this exact scenario is his wildest fantasy. A studio is rented, sets are built, cast and crew (including a professional announcer) are paid, promotions secure a sizable audience, and a premiere date is set. No changes to the format of the show are made, with one exception: the sponsor is booked on the show for a 2-minute segment where he talks about things which are of great interest to the expected audience. When Wayne rebels by humiliating the sponsor on-air for no reason, he is fired, which seems reasonable, considering how much faith was put in him and how little was asked in return.

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* In ''Film/WaynesWorld'', an "evil" businessman (played by 90s-sleezeball-incarnate Rob Lowe) offers our heroes, Wayne and Garth, a $10,000 advance to do a professionalized version of their public access TV show, securing money to sponsor the show from a successful local businessman. Wayne, addressing the audience in an earlier scene, tells us that this exact scenario is his wildest fantasy. A studio is rented, sets are built, cast and crew (including a professional announcer) are paid, promotions secure a sizable audience, and a premiere date is set. No This would be fine if he wanted to be professional, but the changes just make him uncomfortable and not being allowed to the format of the show are made, with one exception: mock the sponsor is booked on the show for a 2-minute segment where he talks about things which are of great interest to last straw that makes him quit. If this was the expected audience. When Wayne rebels by humiliating the sponsor on-air for no reason, he is fired, which seems reasonable, considering how much faith was story of a struggling actor being put in him and how little was asked in return.on a late-night show, he would look like an uncompromising fool who can't deal with executives when both stand to benefit. It's not, so this subplot gets dropped.
18th Jul '17 7:03:09 PM Boggs
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* ''Film/TwentyEightWeeksLater'' portrays Don as a weak DirtyCoward for abandoning his wife Alice when she runs back into a house being overrun by zombies to save a little boy, but it is later established that the boy died anyway, (along with everybody else who was hiding away at that house at the time, killed for trying to shelter the pursued boy from the infected, with Alice only surviving because she's miraculously immune to the infection) and that Don was the only other person in the house who survived the outbreak ''explicitly because'' he ran. To say nothing of the fact that his only real alternative at the time was to engage around fifty infected in what amounted to hand-to-hand combat.

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* ''Film/TwentyEightWeeksLater'' portrays Don as a weak DirtyCoward for abandoning his wife Alice when she runs back into a house being overrun by zombies to save a little boy, but it is later established that the boy died anyway, (along with everybody else who was hiding away at that house at the time, killed for trying to shelter the pursued boy from the infected, with Alice only surviving because she's miraculously immune to the infection) and that Don was the only other person in the house who survived the outbreak ''explicitly because'' he ran. To say nothing of the fact that his only real alternative at the time was to engage around fifty infected in what amounted amounts to hand-to-hand combat.
18th Jul '17 7:01:18 PM Boggs
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* ''Film/TwentyEightWeeksLater'' portrays Don as a weak DirtyCoward for abandoning his wife Alice when she runs back into a house being overrun by zombies to save a little boy, but it is later established that the boy died anyway, (along with everybody else who was hiding away at that house at the time, killed for trying to shelter the pursued boy from the infected, with Alice only surviving because she's miraculously immune to the infection) and that Don was the only other one in the house who survived the outbreak ''explicitly because'' he ran. To say nothing of the fact his only real alternative at the time was to engage around fifty infected in what amounted to hand-to-hand combat.

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* ''Film/TwentyEightWeeksLater'' portrays Don as a weak DirtyCoward for abandoning his wife Alice when she runs back into a house being overrun by zombies to save a little boy, but it is later established that the boy died anyway, (along with everybody else who was hiding away at that house at the time, killed for trying to shelter the pursued boy from the infected, with Alice only surviving because she's miraculously immune to the infection) and that Don was the only other one person in the house who survived the outbreak ''explicitly because'' he ran. To say nothing of the fact that his only real alternative at the time was to engage around fifty infected in what amounted to hand-to-hand combat.
18th Jul '17 6:58:37 PM Boggs
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* ''Film/TwentyEightWeeksLater'' portrays Don as a weak DirtyCoward for abandoning his wife Alice when she runs back into a house being overrun by zombies to save a little boy, but it is later established that the boy died anyway, (along with everybody else who was hiding away at that house at the time, killed for trying to shelter the pursued boy from the infected, with Alice only surviving because she's miraculously immune to the infection) and that Don was the only other one in he house who survived the outbreak ''explicitly because'' he ran. To say nothing of the fact his only real alternative at the time was to engage around fifty infected in what amounted to hand-to-hand combat.

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* ''Film/TwentyEightWeeksLater'' portrays Don as a weak DirtyCoward for abandoning his wife Alice when she runs back into a house being overrun by zombies to save a little boy, but it is later established that the boy died anyway, (along with everybody else who was hiding away at that house at the time, killed for trying to shelter the pursued boy from the infected, with Alice only surviving because she's miraculously immune to the infection) and that Don was the only other one in he the house who survived the outbreak ''explicitly because'' he ran. To say nothing of the fact his only real alternative at the time was to engage around fifty infected in what amounted to hand-to-hand combat.
18th Jul '17 6:56:09 PM Boggs
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* ''Film/TwentyEightWeeksLater'' portrays Don as a weak DirtyCoward for abandoning his wife Alice when she runs back into a house being overrun by zombies to save a little boy, but it is later established that the boy died anyway, (along with everybody else who was hiding away at that house at the time, killed for trying to shelter the pursued boy from the infected, with Alice only surviving because she's miraculously immune to the infection) and that Don was the only other one in he house who survived the outbreak ''explicitly because'' he ran. To say nothing of the fact his only real alternative at the time was to engage around fifty infected in what amounted to hand-to-hand combat.
12th Jul '17 11:38:59 AM Maplewood
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** In one episode, Maggie is outraged at Joel because the urgent cargo she brought for him turned out to be a box of fresh bagels and not - as she expected - medical tools. Fleischmann's comment that it is her job causes her to be even more outraged, and we are supposed to side with her and consider Fleischmann an arrogant prick, yet, well, he is right: Maggie is a commercial pilot and, as long as she is medically fit, the cargo is not illegal or dangerous or the meteorological conditions are not prohibitive, she is expected to deliver Joel any package he wants, because it ''is'' her job and duty and that's precisely what she gets paid to do.

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** In one episode, Maggie is outraged at Joel because the urgent cargo she brought for him turned out to be a box of fresh bagels and not - as she expected - medical tools. Fleischmann's comment that it is her job causes her to be even more outraged, and we are supposed to side with her and consider Fleischmann an arrogant prick, yet, well, he is right: Maggie is a commercial pilot and, as long as she is medically fit, the cargo is not illegal or dangerous or the meteorological conditions are not prohibitive, she is expected to deliver Joel any package he wants, because it ''is'' her job and duty and that's precisely what she gets paid to do. (And Joel never told her what is in the box, so the 'medical tools' were merely her assumptions.)
** When Joel is asked to lend his X-ray machine to examine a mysterious box that was found by Ed, he refuses and is chewed out as selfish... and he even does not get an opportunity to explain that X-ray machine for use on living beings is a bit different than the one used on luggage at an airports (it is specifically designed for get a detailed image of human tissues - that have a particular range of density - while avoiding a fatal irradiation; with luggage, this is not a concern, and the equipment is designed for a significantly wider range of density).
12th Jul '17 11:28:12 AM Maplewood
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** In one episode, Maggie is outraged at Joel because the urgent cargo she brought for him turned out to be a box of fresh bagels and not - as she expected - medical tools. Fleischmann's comment that it is her job causes her to be even more outraged, and we are supposed to side with her and consider Fleischmann an arrogant prick, yet, well, he is right: Maggie is a commercial pilot and, as long as she is medically fit, the cargo is not illegal or dangerous or the meteorological conditions are not prohibitive, she is expected to deliver Joel any package he wants, because it ''is'' her job and duty and that's precisely what she gets paid to do.
9th Jul '17 11:51:45 AM Czigot
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* In ''Literature/TheMillenniumTrilogy'' evil psychologist and prolific pedophile Dr Teleborian argues in court that the protagonist Lisbeth Salander is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]] citing as evidence, amongst other things, her history of promiscuous sexual behaviour. He is clearly doing this both because he has a grudge against her and to discredit her accusations against him that he criminally mistreated her while she was in his care (though it's unclear if he doesn't believe his diagnosis regardless). Salanders' lawyer retorts that she herself has a promiscuous history but that doesn't make ''her'' a sociopath, before overwhelming Theleborian and the court with hard evidence that he did indeed mistreat her. The problem is, Teleborian is ''right''--promiscuous sexual behaviour really ''is'' a marker for sociopathy, and whilst it isn't enough in and of itself, Lisbeth Salander displays a host of ''other'' markers (for instance, the reason she was in his care in the first place was that she threw a ''Molotov cocktail'' at her abusive father, setting him alight), including several that Teleborian didn't even know about (such as the fact that she is a world-class hacker and a successful thief). While she probably isn't a ''true'' sociopath, she certainly displays a number of sociopathic traits, and more than qualifies for an anti-social personality disorder.
27th Jun '17 8:16:42 AM AlienPatch
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** The ambassador of the Reach is likewise presented as a villainous mouthpiece whose words are poison, but he actually never makes as single accusation regarding the league that isn't both true and describing something that's extremely illegal for very good reasons. He stands out especially for pointing out that the [[ChildSoldiers basic premise of the series]] in itself makes the League guilty of a war crime that would get pretty much any other nation occupied by the UN.

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** The ambassador of the Reach is likewise presented as a villainous mouthpiece whose words are poison, but he actually never makes as a single accusation regarding the league that isn't both true and describing something that's extremely illegal for very good reasons. He stands out especially for pointing out that the [[ChildSoldiers basic premise of the series]] in itself makes the League guilty of a war crime that would get pretty much any other nation occupied by the UN.
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