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27th Jul '16 10:18:46 PM FarseerLolotea
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* Happens many, many times in the infamous ''Webcomic/VeganArtbook'' which is to be expected when your [[StrawMan Straw Men]] are making statements like "farming isn't the same as genocide," "artificially inseminating cows isn't comparable to rape," and "[[PeopleSitOnChairs humans are omnivores]]."

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* Happens many, many times in the infamous ''Webcomic/VeganArtbook'' ''Webcomic/VeganArtbook'', which is to be expected when your [[StrawMan Straw Men]] are making statements like "farming isn't the same as genocide," "artificially inseminating cows isn't comparable to rape," and "[[PeopleSitOnChairs humans are omnivores]]."
26th Jul '16 3:52:53 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* In ''Film/FantasticFour2015'', after the teleporter to Planet Zero is perfected, a scientist announces that he's going to call NASA to get some astronauts to go explore. Victor and Reed protest this because ''they'' want to be the ones known for being the first to explore the new planet. Victor even goes on a drunken rant about how everyone remembers the astronauts of the Apollo missions and not the engineers who made it possible. We're clearly supposed to sympathize with them, but given how they do pretty much ''everything'' wrong on their drunken exploration trip (wandering off, touching weird rivers of energy, and suchlike), the guy looks more like the only one who wanted to get ''trained professionals'' for the important and likely dangerous mission.
19th Jul '16 9:09:42 AM KingZeal
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* In ''Film/OneHundredAndOneDalmatians'', the evil fashion exec Cruella Deville is dismissive of the idea that Anita, her employee, should leave her job in the event of marriage. This is meant to show Deville as callous and cynical, but her observation that marriage tends to deal a massive blow to a woman's career is unfortunately true -- or at least, was at the time period. Most likely, Cruella is merely a first-wave feminist who believes that truly independent women should wean themselves totally of men and marriage.

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* In ''Film/OneHundredAndOneDalmatians'', the evil fashion exec Cruella Deville is dismissive of the idea that Anita, her employee, should leave her job in the event of marriage. This is meant to show Deville as callous and cynical, but her observation that marriage tends to deal a massive blow to a woman's career is unfortunately true -- or at least, was at the time period. Most likely, Cruella is merely a first-wave feminist who believes that truly independent women should wean themselves totally of men and marriage.
19th Jul '16 7:58:49 AM matruz
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** Young Earth creationists constantly attacking professor Kaman throughout the film. The film tries to portray them as finding things that shows that the professor is not who he appears to be and is really just trying to corrupt students away from God, yet his actions prove that he is simply just trying to teach biology as it is accepted by the scientific community.
19th Jul '16 7:53:14 AM matruz
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* The Christian creationist propaganda film ''Film/AMatterOfFaith'' has this with the antagonist, the evolution-teaching biology professor Kaman:
** In the past, Kaman got another biology professor, Portland, fired for teaching creationism, an incident meant to characterize him as a villain. However, it was completely reasonable for him to do so since Portland wouldn't have been constitutionally allowed to teach it in the first place.
** Kaman accurately describes the father of Rachel (the student of his class), Stephen (who is protesting the teaching of evolution in his daughter's college), as "A religious dad who doesn't like his little girl thinking for herself."
9th Jul '16 12:34:56 PM 10-13-2
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* In ''Film/OneHundredAndOneDalmatians'', the evil fashion exec Cruella Deville is dismissive of the idea that Anita, her employee, should leave her job in the event of marriage. This is meant to show Deville as callous and cynical, but her observation that marriage tends to deal a massive blow to a woman's career is unfortunately true -- or at least, was at the time period.

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* In ''Film/OneHundredAndOneDalmatians'', the evil fashion exec Cruella Deville is dismissive of the idea that Anita, her employee, should leave her job in the event of marriage. This is meant to show Deville as callous and cynical, but her observation that marriage tends to deal a massive blow to a woman's career is unfortunately true -- or at least, was at the time period. Most likely, Cruella is merely a first-wave feminist who believes that truly independent women should wean themselves totally of men and marriage.
9th Jul '16 12:32:10 PM 10-13-2
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** Lisa again in "Hungry Are the Damned", part of the very first ''Treehouse of Horror'' Halloween special. Apparently, Kang and Kodos would have humans believe that [[GildedCage living in captivity on a spaceship with all your favorite foods to eat and free entertainment]] is preferable to living a free but boring life on Earth. Lisa disagrees, and the aliens punish her ingratitude by returning the Simpson family to Earth and telling them they will never be truly happy again. But even if Lisa was wrong about the aliens having secretly sinister motives - in this case, allegedly wanting to eat humans - she was right about the aliens' actions being unethical. Slavery done with the best of intentions and that involves the captives being pampered instead of enchained is still slavery, and particularly loathsome if the victims are of a different species who are [[CondescendingCompassion supposedly wretched and "deserve" to be taught enlightenment and joy]].
9th Jul '16 12:00:48 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection'': This is a common criticism of the film, as Picard and his crew ''mutiny'' rather than remove people who aren't even native to a planet, number less than 1000, who're sitting on a literal fountain of youth that could save the lives of millions...all during the Dominion War, a conflict the Federation is badly losing at this point, where it could turn the tide in their favor. What's even worse, is that if the Federation and its allies ''lose'' the war, they predict that over a hundred billion people will ''die''. Of course, strawman villains are used to shore up Picard's side as being right - the bad guys are [[KickTheDog dog-kickers]] who want revenge on the pacifist Baku (plus [[BeautyEqualsGoodness they're ugly]]), so by the movie's logic this makes it okay. Even many cast members (including the ''director'', Jonathan Frakes), felt that in this case removing the Baku would have been acceptable.

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* ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection'': This is a common criticism of the film, as Picard and his crew ''mutiny'' rather than remove people who aren't even native to a planet, number less than 1000, who're sitting on a literal fountain of youth that could save the lives of millions...all during the Dominion War, a conflict the Federation is badly losing at this point, where it could turn the tide in their favor. What's even worse, is that if the Federation and its allies ''lose'' the war, they predict that over a hundred billion people will ''die''. Of course, strawman villains are used to shore up Picard's side as being right - the bad guys are [[KickTheDog dog-kickers]] who want revenge on the pacifist Baku (plus [[BeautyEqualsGoodness they're ugly]]), so by the movie's logic this makes it okay. Even many cast members (including the ''director'', Jonathan Frakes), felt that in this case removing the Baku would have been acceptable. The sad part is that this would have been easily avoided by having the reveal be that the slaving drug dealing Dominion allies they were working with were ''lying'' about the benefits.
4th Jul '16 8:36:15 PM Jokubas
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** From the other side, it's been asked whether the Forsaken dying out (which isn't the same as saying they should be exterminated) would really be a bad thing. This is treated as akin to genocide. But the Forsaken are unnaturally created with dark magic, many of them are needlessly cruel and their government openly performs horrific acts such as torture and experimentation on "enemies" [[note]]which can include anything from hostile [=POWs=], to innocent civilians, to ''other Forsaken''[[/note]]. Many of them claim to hate their current existence but have no qualms forcing it onto others for their own selfish reasons, and while it's true they need more soldiers to defend themselves from the numerous forces trying to destroy them, it's hard to feel sorry for them when they're the aggressors in nearly every conflict they're involved in. Notably, the other playable undead faction, the Knights of the Ebon Blade, mostly keep to themselves and no one seems to have a problem with ''them''.

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** From the other side, it's been asked whether the Forsaken dying out (which isn't the same as saying they should be exterminated) would really be a bad thing. This is treated as akin to genocide. But the Forsaken are unnaturally created with dark magic, many of them are needlessly cruel and their government openly performs horrific acts such as torture and experimentation on "enemies" [[note]]which can include anything from hostile [=POWs=], to innocent civilians, to ''other Forsaken''[[/note]]. Many of them claim to hate their current existence but have no qualms forcing it onto others for their own selfish reasons, and while it's true they need more soldiers to defend themselves from the numerous forces trying to destroy them, it's hard to feel sorry for them when they're the aggressors in nearly every conflict they're involved in. It should be noted that it was their attack that drove Gilneas to the Alliance. The nation was neutral at the time and potentially could have been allied with, but no diplomacy was attempted, even though they both have a curse and could have bonded over it. Notably, the other playable undead faction, the Knights of the Ebon Blade, mostly keep to themselves and no one seems to have a problem with ''them''.
3rd Jul '16 5:30:26 PM BillyMT
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* The Jackal from ''VideoGame/FarCry2'', on his interview tapes, sounds a lot more logical than the game seems to want you to think of him as, given the tape descriptions. While many of them are blatantly MORALLY wrong, his logic to justify what he does makes a scary amount of sense. This is especially invoked in the tape asking him why Africa, when he gives the interviewer a small HannibalLecture, asking him if there's someone else's home he doesn't care about that he should sell weapons in. [[spoiler:He might have been intended to be right all along, given that his ultimate goal is to help all the refugees and sane people escape the nation while the two warring factions all kill each other, and he even kills himself in the process to make sure his arm dealing can't cause another conflict like the one in the game.]]

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* The Jackal from ''VideoGame/FarCry2'', on his interview tapes, sounds a lot more logical than the game seems to want you to think of him as, given the tape descriptions. While many of them are blatantly MORALLY wrong, his logic to justify what he does makes a scary amount of sense. This is especially invoked in the tape asking him why Africa, when he gives the interviewer a small HannibalLecture, asking him if there's someone else's home he doesn't care about that he should sell weapons in. [[spoiler:He might have been intended to be right all along, given that his ultimate goal is to help all the refugees and sane people escape the nation while the two warring factions all kill each other, and he even kills himself in the process to make sure his arm arms dealing can't cause another conflict like the one in the game.]]
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