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25th May '16 10:34:04 AM Kid
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** InUniverse: during "25 to Life", the team deduces the correct [=UnSub=] via the profile but are stopped from arresting him by [[DaChief Erin Strauss]], who points out that they have no actual physical evidence. This is the only time the team is prevented an arrest after profiling the right criminal [[spoiler:a situation that came up because the profiled criminal is a Congressman, someone they'd need to be *sure* is guilty before trying anything with him. The team eventually gets around this by confronting the Congressman while he was hosting a party, showing off his hand which has scars on it that gives the team the evidence it needs to arrest him]].

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** InUniverse: during "25 to Life", the team deduces the correct [=UnSub=] via the profile but are stopped from arresting him by [[DaChief Erin Strauss]], who points out that they have no actual physical evidence. This is the only time the team is prevented an arrest after profiling the right criminal [[spoiler:a situation that came up because the profiled criminal is a Congressman, someone they'd need to be *sure* ''sure'' is guilty before trying anything with him. The team eventually gets around this by confronting the Congressman while he was hosting a party, showing off his hand which has scars on it that gives the team the evidence it needs to arrest him]].
25th May '16 10:19:59 AM Kid
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* In ''Literature/TheMillenniumTrilogy'' evil psychologist and prolific pedophile Dr Teleborian argues in court that the protagonist Lisbeth Salander is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]] citing as evidence, amongst other things, her history of promiscuous sexual behaviour. He is clearly doing this both because he has a grudge against her and to discredit her accusations against him that he criminally mistreated her while she was in his care (though it's unclear if he doesn't believe his diagnosis regardless). Salanders' lawyer retorts that she herself has a promiscuous history but that doesn't make ''her'' a sociopath, before overwhelming Theleborian and the court with hard evidence that he did indeed mistreat her. The problem is, Teleborian is ''right''- promiscuous sexual behaviour really ''is'' a marker for sociopathy, and whilst it isn't enough in and of itself, Lisbeth Salander displays a host of ''other'' markers (for instance, the reason she was in his care in the first place was that she threw a ''Molotov cocktail'' at her abusive father, setting him alight), including several that Teleborian didn't even know about (such as the fact that she is a world-class hacker and a successful thief). While she probably isn't a ''true'' sociopath, she certainly displays a number of sociopathic traits, and more than qualifies for an anti-social personality disorder.

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* In ''Literature/TheMillenniumTrilogy'' evil psychologist and prolific pedophile Dr Teleborian argues in court that the protagonist Lisbeth Salander is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]] citing as evidence, amongst other things, her history of promiscuous sexual behaviour. He is clearly doing this both because he has a grudge against her and to discredit her accusations against him that he criminally mistreated her while she was in his care (though it's unclear if he doesn't believe his diagnosis regardless). Salanders' lawyer retorts that she herself has a promiscuous history but that doesn't make ''her'' a sociopath, before overwhelming Theleborian and the court with hard evidence that he did indeed mistreat her. The problem is, Teleborian is ''right''- promiscuous ''right''--promiscuous sexual behaviour really ''is'' a marker for sociopathy, and whilst it isn't enough in and of itself, Lisbeth Salander displays a host of ''other'' markers (for instance, the reason she was in his care in the first place was that she threw a ''Molotov cocktail'' at her abusive father, setting him alight), including several that Teleborian didn't even know about (such as the fact that she is a world-class hacker and a successful thief). While she probably isn't a ''true'' sociopath, she certainly displays a number of sociopathic traits, and more than qualifies for an anti-social personality disorder.
25th May '16 9:42:12 AM Kid
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* A common villainous group in ''FanFic/TheConversionBureau'' fanfics, the Human Liberation Front (which doesn't exist in the original fanfic), see ponies as a threat to mankind -- and given that the ponies' goal is often the total extinction of humans, sometimes with side-orders of GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul (And for every fanfic that paints ponification as a [[NecessarilyEvil necessary evil]] and a last resort, there's several more that have the ponies intentionally creating the threat in order to force ponification), they are absolutely right. Anti-Conversion Bureau fics like ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureauNotAlone'' and ''FanFic/TheConversionBureauTheOtherSideOfTheSpectrum'' take this and run with it, portraying the bureau as villains, although notably, ''Other Side of the Spectrum'' doesn't portray the HLF as right- they're basically the horribly-extremist anti-pony side, while the protagonists belong to a much more moderate anti-Equestrai faction.

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* A common villainous group in ''FanFic/TheConversionBureau'' fanfics, the Human Liberation Front (which doesn't exist in the original fanfic), see ponies as a threat to mankind -- and given that the ponies' goal is often the total extinction of humans, sometimes with side-orders of GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul (And (and for every fanfic that paints ponification as a [[NecessarilyEvil necessary evil]] and a last resort, there's several more that have the ponies intentionally creating the threat in order to force ponification), they are absolutely right. Anti-Conversion Bureau fics like ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureauNotAlone'' and ''FanFic/TheConversionBureauTheOtherSideOfTheSpectrum'' take this and run with it, portraying the bureau as villains, although notably, ''Other Side of the Spectrum'' doesn't portray the HLF as right- right -- they're basically the horribly-extremist anti-pony side, while the protagonists belong to a much more moderate anti-Equestrai faction.
25th May '16 9:31:01 AM Kid
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** Although it was intended to come across as an example of Sasuke's callousness and self-absorption, at least some of his observations regarding Sakura's feelings in chapter 693 is actually spot-on. Given that by this point Sasuke has repeatedly betrayed his friends, his village, his entire nation, and at the latest turn of events the entire social order of the continent, has openly announced his intention to murder everything that is good or just and take over the world as its new demon-powered overlord, and never had anything in common with or shown the slightest bit of affection or encouragement to Sakura in their entire lives, it makes ''absolutely no sense'' that she is still in love with him, and Sasuke is being entirely on-point to stop and lampshade that. For comparison, Naruto is his best friend and that is because they share childhoods of loneliness and time as rivals pushing eachother to be stronger along with having some combat synergy to bond in battle. Sakura is completely unable to argue when he points out that the only reason she likes him was because they were on the same team for a little while over 3 years ago (and she only liked him because he was attractive). It really interrupts the whole rhythm of a scene intended to show a megalomaniac's utter alienation from normal human emotion when you have to stop and go "... wait, that's actually ''true''."

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** Although it was intended to come across as an example of Sasuke's callousness and self-absorption, at least some of his observations regarding Sakura's feelings in chapter 693 is actually spot-on. Given that by this point Sasuke has repeatedly betrayed his friends, his village, his entire nation, and at the latest turn of events the entire social order of the continent, has openly announced his intention to murder everything that is good or just and take over the world as its new demon-powered overlord, and never had anything in common with or shown the slightest bit of affection or encouragement to Sakura in their entire lives, it makes ''absolutely no sense'' that she is still in love with him, and Sasuke is being entirely on-point to stop and lampshade that. For comparison, Naruto is his best friend and that is because they share childhoods of loneliness and time as rivals pushing eachother each other to be stronger along with having some combat synergy to bond in battle. Sakura is completely unable to argue when he points out that the only reason she likes him was because they were on the same team for a little while over 3 years ago (and she only liked him because he was attractive). It really interrupts the whole rhythm of a scene intended to show a megalomaniac's utter alienation from normal human emotion when you have to stop and go "... wait, that's actually ''true''."
25th May '16 9:28:04 AM Kid
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* In the made-for-TV movie ''Film/{{Zenon}}: The [[{{Pun}} Zequel]]'', General Hammond ([[Franchise/StargateVerse no, not that one.]]) arrives to decommission the station, which was still suffering the after-effects of the sabotage in the previous film. His actions are seen by the main characters as evil. Here's what he really does: decommission an unstable space station before it falls to Earth, doing untold damage, attempt to apprehend a girl who thinks it's ok to smuggle aboard a shuttle, chase after spaceship thieves, and other actions perfectly in line with what any good soldier or policeman would do.

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* In the made-for-TV movie ''Film/{{Zenon}}: The [[{{Pun}} Zequel]]'', General Hammond ([[Franchise/StargateVerse no, not that one.]]) one]]) arrives to decommission the station, which was still suffering the after-effects of the sabotage in the previous film. His actions are seen by the main characters as evil. Here's what he really does: decommission an unstable space station before it falls to Earth, doing untold damage, attempt to apprehend a girl who thinks it's ok to smuggle aboard a shuttle, chase after spaceship thieves, and other actions perfectly in line with what any good soldier or policeman would do.
24th May '16 8:23:25 AM HopeFox
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* In ''Film/IronMan2'' Senator Stern is an ass [[spoiler:and a member of HYDRA]], and Hammer is an idiot, but both of them make a lot of valid points in the senate hearing. Tony is a loose cannon, his suit is a weapon (whether he likes the term or not) of the sort that would ordinarily be denied a private citizen, and he is acting totally independent of anyone who could review his actions or rein him in if he gets out of control. None of these things are remotely desirable traits in someone who is trying to be a one-man police force for the whole world. Notably, SHIELD ''agrees'' with Stern and Hammer that while Iron Man is useful, ''Tony Stark'' is too unstable. They still call him in for Avengers, on the grounds that they've hit the GodzillaThreshold.
22nd May '16 11:44:23 AM TheUnknownUploader
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** Zacharias Smith is skeptical about Harry's version of events after ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire'' and is portrayed as a JerkAss for not immediately believing Harry. But he doesn't have the privileged viewpoint of the readership, and Harry has been very close-mouthed about what happened. Later books show him to be a Jerkass for other reasons, such as providing a more biased commentary for a Quidditch match then Lee Jordan and being the first to [[DirtyCoward bail at the Battle of Hogwarts.]]

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** Zacharias Smith is skeptical about Harry's version of events after ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire'' and is portrayed as a JerkAss for not immediately believing Harry. But he doesn't have the privileged viewpoint of the readership, and Harry has been very close-mouthed about what happened. [[note]] Note that Zacharias only showed up to ask Harry to tell his version of events, and immediately complaining upon hearing them makes him look like an UngratefulBastard. [[/note]] Later books show him to be a Jerkass for other reasons, such as providing a more biased commentary for a Quidditch match then Lee Jordan and being the first to [[DirtyCoward bail at the Battle of Hogwarts.]]
16th May '16 11:14:56 PM jormis29
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** Godfrey also welcomes the Reach and supports them over the Justice League because (as far as he knows,) they come to Earth openly, answer any questions they get asked and don't start massive meta-human fights in public areas. When it becomes clear that the Reach have lied about not bringing warships to Earth, Godfrey immediately calls them out for it, showing that his beliefs are actually sincere and it's not simply an irrational hatred of the Justice League.
16th May '16 11:03:06 PM mzytryck01
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** Godfrey also welcomes the Reach and supports them over the Justice League because (as far as he knows,) they come to Earth openly, answer any questions they get asked and don't start massive meta-human fights in public areas. When it becomes clear that the Reach have lied about not bringing warships to Earth, Godfrey immediately calls them out for it, showing that his beliefs are actually sincere and it's not simply an irrational hatred of the Justice League.
7th May '16 11:20:43 PM Fireblood
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* ''Series/TheDailyShow'': In the March 18, 2010 episode, while making fun of Radio/GlennBeck making fun of progressives, Jon Stewart {{lampshade|Hanging}}s this when he says "Hmm... Strawman-[[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope Slippery-Slope-]][[DumbassHasAPoint Dumb-Guy]] might have a point."

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* ''Series/TheDailyShow'': In the [[http://www.cc.com/video-clips/gmgfdo/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-conservative-libertarian March 18, 2010 episode, episode]], while making fun of Radio/GlennBeck making fun of progressives, Jon Stewart {{lampshade|Hanging}}s this when he says "Hmm... Strawman-[[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope Slippery-Slope-]][[DumbassHasAPoint Dumb-Guy]] might have a point."
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