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* YouFailReligiousStudiesForever: A major plot point in the film is that, according to Catholic doctrine, people who commit suicide always go to Hell. This has not been the case since 1997, when the Church decided that people who were mentally ill were not entirely responsible for their actions if they chose to take their own life. At least one of the suicides in the film was committed by a mental patient.
** And then there is the minor fact that in some cases suicide is only a sin because it\\\'s a murder you can\\\'t repent for. Since he was brought back, he could repent and be absolved of it.
** I think the whole point of the \\\'suicide\\\' thing was more to the \\\"I took a life\\\" (hence breaking a commandment) end of the spectrum. Particularly since this is mentioned, and supported by the \\\"what you get depends on what you believe\\\" ideology. So if you break a rule that you believe in as a moral code, you get sent to hell.
** Gabriel notes quite rightly that any sin can be forgiven (even [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil child molestation]]) as long as the sinner is genuinely remorseful and repents before judgment. As Constantine died and saw hell he has \\\'\\\'already\\\'\\\' been condemned in the eyes of God.
** Regardless of the suicide issue, some of the things they present as everyday, completely accepted parts of actual theology (such that someone who just went to Catholic school would of course have studied it) are... dubious. Let\\\'s just say that while many people do believe in the Spear of Destiny myth, it\\\'s not what you\\\'d call theologically sound.
* YouFailReligiousStudiesForever: A major plot point in the film is that, according to Catholic doctrine, people who commit suicide always go to Hell. This has not been the case since 1997, when the Church decided that people who were mentally ill were not entirely responsible for their actions if they chose to take their own life. At least one of the suicides in the film was committed by a mental patient.
** And then there is the minor fact that in some cases suicide is only a sin because it\\\'s a murder you can\\\'t repent for. Since he was brought back, he could repent and be absolved of it.
** I think the whole point of the \\\'suicide\\\' thing was more to the \\\"I took a life\\\" (hence breaking a commandment) end of the spectrum. Particularly since this is mentioned, and supported by the \\\"what you get depends on what you believe\\\" ideology. So if you break a rule that you believe in as a moral code, you get sent to hell.
** Gabriel notes quite rightly that any sin can be forgiven (even [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil child molestation]]) as long as the sinner is genuinely remorseful and repents before judgment. As Constantine died and saw hell he has \\\'\\\'already\\\'\\\' been condemned in the eyes of God.
** Regardless of the suicide issue, some of the things they present as everyday, completely accepted parts of actual theology (such that someone who just went to Catholic school would of course have studied it) are... dubious. Let\\\'s just say that while many people do believe in the Spear of Destiny myth, it\\\'s not what you\\\'d call theologically sound.
