Discussion History DarthWiki / SoBadItsHorrible

Cassius: Well, the definition of \\\"TheLancer\\\" in the FourTemperamentEnsemble page (referencing FiveManBand) is \\\"[[BuffySpeak the disagreer]]\\\", but that\\\'s just as bad a {{flanderization}}. Misty and Ash really are NotSoDifferent and if they ever [[{{Shipping}} got together]] would be listed as BirdsOfAFeather.

[=HoOh=]: TheSmartGuy, yes. But he\\\'s also the team caretaker and also an island of sanity when those two particular companions become childish. As for TheBigGuy, Misty\\\'s and Brock\\\'s [[{{Mons}} Pokemon]] provide just as much value, plus or minus situational factors.

Actually, by that ruling, when Misty contributes \\\'\\\'to the team\\\'\\\', it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' usually in the manner of [[TheBrute bringing in]] [[WeHaveReserves the reserves]]. Heck, her method of knocking Ash out of his [[AchillesInHisTent tournament-loss-induced]] {{Wangst}} [[DrillSergeantNasty is straight out of Boot Camp]]. Yeah, she does have [[TheHeart her moments]], but most of these are with the [[GirlOfTheWeek Character Of The Day]]. (The second movie notwithstanding.)

Indeed, for the MadeForTVMovie, \\\'\\\'Mystery Of The Mirage Pokemon\\\'\\\', it\\\'s debatable as to which of Misty and May are TheLancer and TheBigGuy and which of Brock and Max are TheSmartGuy and TheChick. (Of course, given that the latter two don\\\'t do much in that movie makes it even harder to determine.) [[spoiler:Of course Cyber-Mew could be The Smart Guy and Max either a Sixth Ranger or The Chick (with Brock completely off the team).]] (I see that movie as a \\\'\\\'[[AuthorsSavingThrow mea culpa]]\\\'\\\' for the [[MissedMomentOfAwesome unintended fake out]] of having Misty appear just prior to, but not in, Movie #8.) On that note, for the four-human team in Hoenn, I would also sooner put May as TheLancer than TheChick, mainly because she is on an actual quest, ([[GirlsNeedRoleModels and becomes quite good at it]],) which sometimes runs at cross-purposes with Ash\\\'s. (EDIT: Potholed the wrong Trope at first)

Oh, and Cassius, if someone is usually described as \\\"The Bitch\\\", then [[TheLoad this trope]] can be easily substituted. Unless TheHero is TheMillstone.

EDIT: Perhaps what it all comes down to is that she [[NotSoDifferent is a battle trainer]] [[TheObiWrong who isn\\\'t getting badges]] who is traveling with a battle trainer who is; \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' those few that are still available are drowned out by her [[{{Tsundere}} A-type \\\"qualities\\\"]]. (EDIT: Until she [[EggSitting became a \\\"mom\\\"]], [[StayInTheKitchen which led to its own problems]].[[hottip:*:As enforced from outside.]]) Since we rarely see her in a situation that can\\\'t be solved just as well by Ash, ([[ThisLooksLikeAJobForAquaman water-based scenarios notwithstanding]], heck the first half of the Whirl Islands were an \\\'\\\'[[ADayInTheLimelight arc]]\\\'\\\' [[ADayInTheLimelight in the Limelight]] for her,) it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' (still) for the best for her to have left Ash\\\'s team \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' [[HeroOfAnotherStory be her own hero]]. (And \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' merely be KickedUpstairs into [[DeskJockey training a pool]].)

Cassius: Well, the definition of \\\"TheLancer\\\" in the FourTemperamentEnsemble page (referencing FiveManBand) is \\\"[[BuffySpeak the disagreer]]\\\", but that\\\'s just as bad a {{flanderization}}. Misty and Ash really are NotSoDifferent and if they ever [[{{Shipping}} got together]] would be listed as BirdsOfAFeather.

[=HoOh=]: TheSmartGuy, yes. But he\\\'s also the team caretaker and also an island of sanity when those two particular companions become childish. As for TheBigGuy, Misty\\\'s and Brock\\\'s [[{{Mons}} Pokemon]] provide just as much value, plus or minus situational factors.

Actually, by that ruling, when Misty contributes \\\'\\\'to the team\\\'\\\', it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' usually in the manner of [[TheBrute bringing in]] [[WeHaveReserves the reserves]]. Heck, her method of knocking Ash out of his [[AchillesInHisTent tournament-loss-induced]] {{Wangst}} [[DrillSergeantNasty is straight out of Boot Camp]]. Yeah, she does have [[TheHeart her moments]], but most of these are with the [[GirlOfTheWeek CharacterOfTheDay]]. (The second movie notwithstanding.)

Indeed, for the MadeForTVMovie, \\\'\\\'Mystery Of The Mirage Pokemon\\\'\\\', it\\\'s debatable as to which of Misty and May are TheLancer and TheBigGuy and which of Brock and Max are TheSmartGuy and TheChick. (Of course, given that the latter two don\\\'t do much in that movie makes it even harder to determine.) [[spoiler:Of course Cyber-Mew could be The Smart Guy and Max either a Sixth Ranger or The Chick (with Brock completely off the team).]] (I see that movie as a \\\'\\\'[[AuthorsSavingThrow mea culpa]]\\\'\\\' for the [[MissedMomentOfAwesome unintended fake out]] of having Misty appear just prior to, but not in, Movie #8.) On that note, for the four-human team in Hoenn, I would also sooner put May as TheLancer than TheChick, mainly because she is on an actual quest, ([[YouGoGirl and becomes quite good at it]],) which sometimes runs at cross-purposes with Ash\\\'s.

Oh, and Cassius, if someone is usually described as \\\"The Bitch\\\", then [[TheLoad this trope]] can be easily substituted. Unless TheHero is TheMillstone.

EDIT: Perhaps what it all comes down to is that she [[NotSoDifferent is a battle trainer]] [[TheObiWrong who isn\\\'t getting badges]] who is traveling with a battle trainer who is; \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' those few that are still available are drowned out by her [[{{Tsundere}} A-type \\\"qualities\\\"]]. (EDIT: Until she [[EggSitting became a \\\"mom\\\"]], [[StayInTheKitchen which led to its own problems]].[[hottip:*:As enforced from outside.]]) Since we rarely see her in a situation that can\\\'t be solved just as well by Ash, ([[ThisLooksLikeAJobForAquaman water-based scenarios notwithstanding]], heck the first half of the Whirl Islands were an \\\'\\\'[[ADayInTheLimelight arc]]\\\'\\\' [[ADayInTheLimelight in the Limelight]] for her,) it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' (still) for the best for her to have left Ash\\\'s team \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' [[HeroOfAnotherStory be her own hero]]. (And \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' merely be KickedUpstairs into [[DeskJockey training a pool]].)

Cassius: Well, the definition of \\\"TheLancer\\\" in the FourTemperamentEnsemble page (referencing FiveManBand) is \\\"[[BuffySpeak the disagreer]]\\\", but that\\\'s just as bad a {{flanderization}}. Misty and Ash really are NotSoDifferent and if they ever [[{{Shipping}} got together]] would be listed as BirdsOfAFeather.

[=HoOh=]: TheSmartGuy, yes. But he\\\'s also the team caretaker and also an island of sanity when those two particular companions become childish. As for TheBigGuy, Misty\\\'s and Brock\\\'s [[{{Mons}} Pokemon]] provide just as much value, plus or minus situational factors.

Actually, by that ruling, when Misty contributes \\\'\\\'to the team\\\'\\\', it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' usually in the manner of [[TheBrute bringing in]] [[WeHaveReserves the reserves]]. Heck, her method of knocking Ash out of his [[AchillesInHisTent tournament-loss-induced]] {{Wangst}} [[DrillSergeantNasty is straight out of Boot Camp]]. Yeah, she does have [[TheHeart her moments]], but most of these are with the [[GirlOfTheWeek CharacterOfTheDay]]. (The second movie notwithstanding.)

Indeed, for the MadeForTVMovie, \\\'\\\'Mystery Of The Mirage Pokemon\\\'\\\', it\\\'s debatable as to which of Misty and May are TheLancer and TheBigGuy and which of Brock and Max are TheSmartGuy and TheChick. (Of course, given that the latter two don\\\'t do much in that movie makes it even harder to determine.) [[spoiler:Of course Cyber-Mew could be The Smart Guy and Max either a Sixth Ranger or The Chick (with Brock completely off the team).]] (I see that movie as a \\\'\\\'[[AuthorsSavingThrow mea culpa]]\\\'\\\' for the [[MissedMomentOfAwesome unintended fake out]] of having Misty appear just prior to, but not in, Movie #8.) On that note, for the four-human team in Hoenn, I would also sooner put May as TheLancer than TheChick, mainly because she is on an actual quest, ([[YouGoGirl and becomes quite good at it]],) which sometimes runs at cross-purposes with Ash\\\'s.

Oh, and Cassius, if someone is usually described as \\\"The Bitch\\\", then [[TheLoad this trope]] can be easily substituted. Unless TheHero is TheMillstone.

EDIT: Perhaps what it all comes down to is that she [[NotSoDifferent is a battle trainer]] [[TheObiWrong who isn\\\'t getting badges]] who is traveling with a battle trainer who is; \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' those few that are still available are drowned out by her [[{{Tsundere}} A-type \\\"qualities\\\"]]. (EDIT: Until she [[EggSitting became a \\\"mom\\\"]], [[StayInTheKitchen which led to its own problems]].[[hottip:*:As enforced from outside.) Since we rarely see her in a situation that can\\\'t be solved just as well by Ash, ([[ThisLooksLikeAJobForAquaman water-based scenarios notwithstanding]], heck the first half of the Whirl Islands were an \\\'\\\'[[ADayInTheLimelight arc]]\\\'\\\' [[ADayInTheLimelight in the Limelight]] for her,) it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' (still) for the best for her to have left Ash\\\'s team \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' [[HeroOfAnotherStory be her own hero]]. (And \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' merely be KickedUpstairs into [[DeskJockey training a pool]].)

Cassius: Well, the definition of \\\"TheLancer\\\" in the FourTemperamentEnsemble page (referencing FiveManBand) is \\\"[[BuffySpeak the disagreer]]\\\", but that\\\'s just as bad a {{flanderization}}. Misty and Ash really are NotSoDifferent and if they ever [[{{Shipping}} got together]] would be listed as BirdsOfAFeather.

[=HoOh=]: TheSmartGuy, yes. But he\\\'s also the team caretaker and also an island of sanity when those two particular companions become childish. As for TheBigGuy, Misty\\\'s and Brock\\\'s [[{{Mons}} Pokemon]] provide just as much value, plus or minus situational factors.

Actually, by that ruling, when Misty contributes \\\'\\\'to the team\\\'\\\', it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' usually in the manner of [[TheBrute bringing in]] [[WeHaveReserves the reserves]]. Heck, her method of knocking Ash out of his [[AchillesInHisTent tournament-loss-induced]] {{Wangst}} [[DrillSergeantNasty is straight out of Boot Camp]]. Yeah, she does have [[TheHeart her moments]], but most of these are with the [[GirlOfTheWeek CharacterOfTheDay]]. (The second movie notwithstanding.)

Indeed, for the MadeForTVMovie, \\\'\\\'Mystery Of The Mirage Pokemon\\\'\\\', it\\\'s debatable as to which of Misty and May are TheLancer and TheBigGuy and which of Brock and Max are TheSmartGuy and TheChick. (Of course, given that the latter two don\\\'t do much in that movie makes it even harder to determine.) [[spoiler:Of course Cyber-Mew could be The Smart Guy and Max either a Sixth Ranger or The Chick (with Brock completely off the team).]] (I see that movie as a \\\'\\\'[[AuthorsSavingThrow mea culpa]]\\\'\\\' for the [[MissedMomentOfAwesome unintended fake out]] of having Misty appear just prior to, but not in, Movie #8.) On that note, for the four-human team in Hoenn, I would also sooner put May as TheLancer than TheChick, mainly because she is on an actual quest, ([[YouGoGirl and becomes quite good at it]],) which sometimes runs at cross-purposes with Ash\\\'s.

Oh, and Cassius, if someone is usually described as \\\"The Bitch\\\", then [[TheLoad this trope]] can be easily substituted. Unless TheHero is TheMillstone.

EDIT: Perhaps what it all comes down to is that she [[NotSoDifferent is a battle trainer]] [[TheObiWrong who isn\\\'t getting badges]] who is traveling with a battle trainer who is; \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' those few that are still available are drowned out by her [[{{Tsundere}} A-type \\\"qualities\\\"]]. (EDIT: Until she [[EggSitting became a \\\"mom\\\"]], [[StayInTheKitchen which led to its own problems]].) Since we rarely see her in a situation that can\\\'t be solved just as well by Ash, ([[ThisLooksLikeAJobForAquaman water-based scenarios notwithstanding]], heck the first half of the Whirl Islands were an \\\'\\\'[[ADayInTheLimelight arc]]\\\'\\\' [[ADayInTheLimelight in the Limelight]] for her,) it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' (still) for the best for her to have left Ash\\\'s team \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' [[HeroOfAnotherStory be her own hero]]. (And \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' merely be KickedUpstairs into [[DeskJockey training a pool]].)

Cassius: Well, the definition of \\\"TheLancer\\\" in the FourTemperamentEnsemble page (referencing FiveManBand) is \\\"[[BuffySpeak the disagreer]]\\\", but that\\\'s just as bad a {{flanderization}}. Misty and Ash really are NotSoDifferent and if they ever [[{{Shipping}} got together]] would be listed as BirdsOfAFeather.

[=HoOh=]: TheSmartGuy, yes. But he\\\'s also the team caretaker and also an island of sanity when those two particular companions become childish. As for TheBigGuy, Misty\\\'s and Brock\\\'s [[{{Mons}} Pokemon]] provide just as much value, plus or minus situational factors.

Actually, by that ruling, when Misty contributes \\\'\\\'to the team\\\'\\\', it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' usually in the manner of [[TheBrute bringing in]] [[WeHaveReserves the reserves]]. Heck, her method of knocking Ash out of his [[AchillesInHisTent tournament-loss-induced]] {{Wangst}} [[DrillSergeantNasty is straight out of Boot Camp]]. Yeah, she does have [[TheHeart her moments]], but most of these are with the [[GirlOfTheWeek CharacterOfTheDay]]. (The second movie notwithstanding.)

Indeed, for the MadeForTVMovie, \\\'\\\'Mystery Of The Mirage Pokemon\\\'\\\', it\\\'s debatable as to which of Misty and May are TheLancer and TheBigGuy and which of Brock and Max are TheSmartGuy and TheChick. (Of course, given that the latter two don\\\'t do much in that movie makes it even harder to determine.) [[spoiler:Of course Cyber-Mew could be The Smart Guy and Max either a Sixth Ranger or The Chick (with Brock completely off the team).]] (I see that movie as a \\\'\\\'[[AuthorsSavingThrow mea culpa]]\\\'\\\' for the [[MissedMomentOfAwesome unintended fake out]] of having Misty appear just prior to, but not in, Movie #8.) On that note, for the four-human team in Hoenn, I would also sooner put May as TheLancer than TheChick, mainly because she is on an actual quest, ([[YouGoGirl and becomes quite good at it]],) which sometimes runs at cross-purposes with Ash\\\'s.

Oh, and Cassius, if someone is usually described as \\\"The Bitch\\\", then [[TheLoad this trope]] can be easily substituted. Unless TheHero is TheMillstone.

EDIT: Perhaps what it all comes down to is that she [[NotSoDifferent is a battle trainer]] [[TheObiWrong who isn\\\'t getting badges]] who is traveling with a battle trainer who is; \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' those few that are still available are drowned out by her [[{{Tsundere}} A-type \\\"qualities\\\"]]. Since we rarely see her in a situation that can\\\'t be solved just as well by Ash, ([[ThisLooksLikeAJobForAquaman water-based scenarios notwithstanding]], heck the first half of the Whirl Islands were an \\\'\\\'[[ADayInTheLimelight arc]]\\\'\\\' [[ADayInTheLimelight in the Limelight]] for her,) it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' (still) for the best for her to have left Ash\\\'s team \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' [[HeroOfAnotherStory be her own hero]]. (And \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' merely be KickedUpstairs into [[DeskJockey training a pool]].)

Cassius: Well, the definition of \\\"TheLancer\\\" in the FourTemperamentEnsemble page (referencing FiveManBand) is \\\"[[BuffySpeak the disagreer]]\\\", but that\\\'s just as bad a {{flanderization}}. Misty and Ash really are NotSoDifferent and if they ever [[{{Shipping}} got together]] would be listed as BirdsOfAFeather.

[=HoOh=]: TheSmartGuy, yes. But he\\\'s also the team caretaker and also an island of sanity when those two particular companions become childish. As for TheBigGuy, Misty\\\'s and Brock\\\'s [[{{Mons}} Pokemon]] provide just as much value, plus or minus situational factors.

Actually, by that ruling, when Misty contributes \\\'\\\'to the team\\\'\\\', it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' usually in the manner of [[TheBrute bringing in]] [[WeHaveReserves the reserves]]. Heck, her method of knocking Ash out of his [[AchillesInHisTent tournament-loss-induced]] {{Wangst}} [[DrillSergeantNasty is straight out of Boot Camp]]. Yeah, she does have [[TheHeart her moments]], but most of these are with the [[GirlOfTheWeek CharacterOfTheDay]]. (The second movie notwithstanding.)

Indeed, for the MadeForTVMovie, \\\'\\\'Mystery Of The Mirage Pokemon\\\'\\\', it\\\'s debatable as to which of Misty and May are TheLancer and TheBigGuy and which of Brock and Max are TheSmartGuy and TheChick. (Of course, given that the latter two don\\\'t do much in that movie makes it even harder to determine.) [[spoiler:Of course Cyber-Mew could be The Smart Guy and Max either a Sixth Ranger or The Chick (with Brock completely off the team).]] (I see that movie as a \\\'\\\'[[AuthorsSavingThrow mea culpa]]\\\'\\\' for the [[MissedMomentOfAwesome unintended fake out]] of having Misty appear just prior to, but not in, Movie #8.) On that note, for the four-human team in Hoenn, I would also sooner put May as TheLancer than TheChick, mainly because she is on an actual quest, ([[YouGoGirl and becomes quite good at it]],) which sometimes runs at cross-purposes with Ash\\\'s.

Oh, and Cassius, if someone is usually described as \\\"The Bitch\\\", then [[TheLoad this trope]] can be easily substituted. Unless TheHero is TheMillstone.

EDIT: Perhaps what it all comes down to is that she [[NotSoDifferent is a battle trainer]] [[TheObiWrong who isn\\\'t getting badges]] who is traveling with a battle trainer who is and those few that are still available are drowned out by her [[{{Tsundere}} A-type \\\"qualities\\\"]]. Since we rarely see her in a situation that can\\\'t be solved just as well by Ash, ([[ThisLooksLikeAJobForAquaman water-based scenarios notwithstanding]], heck the first half of the Whirl Islands were an \\\'\\\'[[ADayInTheLimelight arc]]\\\'\\\' [[ADayInTheLimelight in the Limelight]] for her,) it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' (still) for the best for her to have left Ash\\\'s team \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' [[HeroOfAnotherStory be her own hero]]. (And \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' merely be KickedUpstairs into [[DeskJockey training a pool]].)

Cassius: Well, the definition of \\\"TheLancer\\\" in the FourTemperamentEnsemble page (referencing FiveManBand) is \\\"[[BuffySpeak the disagreer]]\\\", but that\\\'s just as bad a {{flanderization}}. Misty and Ash really are NotSoDifferent and if they ever [[{{Shipping}} got together]] would be listed as BirdsOfAFeather.

[=HoOh=]: TheSmartGuy, yes. But he\\\'s also the team caretaker and also an island of sanity when those two particular companions become childish. As for TheBigGuy, Misty\\\'s and Brock\\\'s [[{{Mons}} Pokemon]] provide just as much value, plus or minus situational factors.

Actually, by that ruling, when Misty contributes \\\'\\\'to the team\\\'\\\', it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' usually in the manner of [[TheBrute bringing in]] [[WeHaveReserves the reserves]]. Heck, her method of knocking Ash out of his [[AchillesInHisTent tournament-loss-induced]] {{Wangst}} [[DrillSergeantNasty is straight out of Boot Camp]]. Yeah, she does have [[TheHeart her moments]], but most of these are with the [[GirlOfTheWeek CharacterOfTheDay]]. (The second movie notwithstanding.)

Indeed, for the MadeForTVMovie, \\\'\\\'Mystery Of The Mirage Pokemon\\\'\\\', it\\\'s debatable as to which of Misty and May are TheLancer and TheBigGuy and which of Brock and Max are TheSmartGuy and TheChick. (Of course, given that the latter two don\\\'t do much in that movie makes it even harder to determine.) [[spoiler:Of course Cyber-Mew could be The Smart Guy and Max either a Sixth Ranger or The Chick (with Brock completely off the team).]] (I see that movie as a \\\'\\\'[[AuthorsSavingThrow mea culpa]]\\\'\\\' for the [[MissedMomentOfAwesome unintended fake out]] of having Misty appear just prior to, but not in, Movie #8.) On that note, for the four-human team in Hoenn, I would also sooner put May as TheLancer than TheChick, mainly because she is on an actual quest, ([[YouGoGirl and becomes quite good at it]],) which sometimes runs at cross-purposes with Ash\\\'s.

Oh, and Cassius, if someone is usually described as \\\"The Bitch\\\", then [[TheLoad this trope]] can be easily substituted. Unless TheHero is TheMillstone.

Cassius: Well, the definition of \\\"TheLancer\\\" in the FourTemperamentEnsemble page (referencing FiveManBand) is \\\"[[BuffySpeak the disagreer]]\\\", but that\\\'s just as bad a {{flanderization}}. Misty and Ash really are NotSoDifferent and if they ever [[{{Shipping}} got together]] would be listed as BirdsOfAFeather.

[=HoOh=]: TheSmartGuy, yes. But he\\\'s also the team caretaker and also an island of sanity when those two particular companions become childish. As for TheBigGuy, Misty\\\'s and Brock\\\'s [[{{Mons}} Pokemon]] provide just as much value, plus or minus situational factors.

Actually, by that ruling, when Misty contributes \\\'\\\'to the team\\\'\\\', it \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' usually in the manner of [[TheBrute bringing in]] [[WeHaveReserves the reserves]]. Heck, her method of knocking Ash out of his [[AchillesInHisTent tournament-loss-induced]] {{Wangst}} [[DrillSergeantNasty is straight out of Boot Camp]]. Yeah, she does have [[TheHeart her moments]], but most of these are with the [[GirlOfTheWeek CharacterOfTheDay]]. (The second movie notwithstanding.)

Indeed, for the MadeForTVMovie, \\\'\\\'Mystery Of The Mirage Pokemon\\\'\\\', it\\\'s debatable as to which of Misty and May are TheLancer and TheBigGuy and which of Brock and Max are TheSmartGuy and TheChick. (Of course, given that the latter two don\\\'t do much in that movie makes it even harder to determine.) [[spoiler:Of course Cyber-Mew could be The Smart Guy and Max a Sixth Ranger.]] (I see that movie as a \\\'\\\'[[AuthorsSavingThrow mea culpa]]\\\'\\\' for the [[MissedMomentOfAwesome unintended fake out]] of having Misty appear just prior to, but not in, Movie #8.) On that note, for the four-human team in Hoenn, I would also sooner put May as TheLancer than TheChick, mainly because she is on an actual quest, ([[YouGoGirl and becomes quite good at it]],) which sometimes runs at cross-purposes with Ash\\\'s.

Oh, and Cassius, if someone is usually described as \\\"The Bitch\\\", then [[TheLoad this trope]] can be easily substituted. Unless TheHero is TheMillstone.