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So, i know there has been a lot of discussion on this trope already. But I think this page really falls into the \
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So, i know there has been a lot of discussion on this trope already. But I think this page really falls into the \\\"tropes are tools\\\" problem , and is more weeding out bad complete monsters then non-examples of the tropes.
Like, that abuser guy from family guy is pretty undeniably a complete monster. He\\\'s an utterly evil character with no redeeming traits who is designed to perform heinous atrocities so as to make the audience fear and hate him. He fights the trope to a T.
He is admittedly in a show that has negative continuity and similar acts played for laughs. This makes him a \\\'\\\'badly conceived\\\'\\\' complete monster. Family guy shouldn\\\'t have put a complete monster into their show. But they did, and I don\\\'t think the fact they did it badly makes it not an example of the trope. If I put an unrepentant sadistic serial killer into MLP, that\\\'s an incredibly stupid idea, but that\\\'s still objectively a complete monster.
Basically, this seems oriented to only putting in good complete monsters. But you can fuck up this trope like any other, and ruling out complete monsters who fall flat or clash with their setting seems as absurd as ruling out kiss scenes that fall flat or clash with their setting.
In short: There are a lot of proposals denied because they\\\'re badly-written examples, not because they\\\'re not examples. This is not the case in other tropes, and shouldn\\\'t be the case here.
Like, that abuser guy from family guy is pretty undeniably a complete monster. He\\\'s an utterly evil character with no redeeming traits who is designed to perform heinous atrocities so as to make the audience fear and hate him. He fights the trope to a T.
He is admittedly in a show that has negative continuity and similar acts played for laughs. This makes him a \\\'\\\'badly conceived\\\'\\\' complete monster. Family guy shouldn\\\'t have put a complete monster into their show. But they did, and I don\\\'t think the fact they did it badly makes it not an example of the trope. If I put an unrepentant sadistic serial killer into MLP, that\\\'s an incredibly stupid idea, but that\\\'s still objectively a complete monster.
Basically, this seems oriented to only putting in good complete monsters. But you can fuck up this trope like any other, and ruling out complete monsters who fall flat or clash with their setting seems as absurd as ruling out kiss scenes that fall flat or clash with their setting.
In short: There are a lot of proposals denied because they\\\'re badly-written examples, not because they\\\'re not examples. This is not the case in other tropes, and shouldn\\\'t be the case here.
