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Thing is, they're essentially 'just' people with powers, so I don't know whether they qualify, or where I should put them. They're worshiped, but they don't need it, the setting has never confirmed any gods and it could all be a social control method the way it is depicted.
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Thing is, they\'re essentially \'just\' people with powers, so I don\'t know whether they qualify, or where I should put them. They\'re worshiped, but they don\'t need it, the setting has never confirmed any gods and it could all be a social control method the way it is depicted.
It doesn\'t seem to fit AGodAmI either because the religion defines them as such, so I\'m a bit perplexed.
It doesn\'t seem to fit AGodAmI either because the religion defines them as such, so I\'m a bit perplexed.
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Being a \\\"burden\\\" is not the same as being TheLoad. Rock is not Tatsu in the sense that he\\\'s a liability. The whole point of that mission was to reinforce that NLA is a collectivist haven, by demonstrating that someone who isn\\\'t doing their best to help is a burden by default. The fact that Celica went out and risked her lives, that Team Elma had to save her, and that they \\\'\\\'offer to fight on Rock\\\'s behalf\\\'\\\' proves (as far as the story is concerned) that someone who isn\\\'t helping is a burden. This is reinforced by the fact that, when Chausson tells him he\\\'s still not satisfied with Celica as a fighter, he wants Rock to work in heavy industry \\\'\\\'\\\'or get out\\\'\\\'\\\'.
Yes, Chausson \\\"settled\\\", but he still got what he wanted--a new fighter AND a new worker. In fact, if you talk to Rock afterward, he flat out tells you \\\'\\\'he feels he needs to work harder to repay Chausson for giving him a job\\\'\\\'. Let me repeat that: Rock feels indebted to Chausson for letting him not fight. If Rock wasn\\\'t a burden, and his pacifism isn\\\'t \\\"a quirk\\\", that\\\'s a very funny way to feel. Why would he feel the need to \\\'\\\'pay back\\\'\\\' someone who was \\\"wrong\\\", unless the story isn\\\'t actually presenting the person as being \\\"wrong\\\". That would be like me feeling I need to pay back a landlord that chose not to evict me for a crime I didn\\\'t commit. So yeah, Chausson ultimately got what what he wanted: two new productive citizens rather than two idle ones.
Again, it doesn\\\'t matter Rock didn\\\'t ask anyone to fight for him and no one \\\"blames\\\" him. That\\\'s how JapanesePoliteness works (and yes, I know the characters aren\\\'t Japanese, but the morals of the game go by very Japanese virtues). It\\\'s implied by the dialogue and story that Rock is a burden (again, no one questions Chausson\\\'s insistence that someone has to fight--Celica and Team Elma simply ask to do it FOR him). That doesn\\\'t mean they feel pacifism is \\\'\\\'wrong\\\'\\\', just a burden. For example, it\\\'s like a vegan in a village that makes its living hunting. Sure, someone can feel that he\\\'s right to not want to kill animals, but that means his lack of contribution still \\\'\\\'needs to be made up for.\\\'\\\' As such, Pacifism (even if ostensibly treated as morally \\\"right\\\") is \\\'\\\'\\\'treated as something that needs to be made up for\\\'\\\'\\\', and this is done by Celica becoming a BLADE, Team Elma offering to do it, and by Rock ultimately deciding to work extra hard to \\\"pay back\\\" Chausson for his job.
I can\\\'t explain this any more thoroughly than that.
Yes, Chausson \\\"settled\\\", but he still got what he wanted--a new fighter AND a new worker. In fact, if you talk to Rock afterward, he flat out tells you \\\'\\\'he feels he needs to work harder to repay Chausson for giving him a job\\\'\\\'. Let me repeat that: Rock feels indebted to Chausson for letting him not fight. If Rock wasn\\\'t a burden, and his pacifism isn\\\'t \\\"a quirk\\\", that\\\'s a very funny way to feel. Why would he feel the need to \\\'\\\'pay back\\\'\\\' someone who was \\\"wrong\\\", unless the story isn\\\'t actually presenting the person as being \\\"wrong\\\". That would be like me feeling I need to pay back a landlord that chose not to evict me for a crime I didn\\\'t commit. So yeah, Chausson ultimately got what what he wanted: two new productive citizens rather than two idle ones.
Again, it doesn\\\'t matter Rock didn\\\'t ask anyone to fight for him and no one \\\"blames\\\" him. That\\\'s how JapanesePoliteness works (and yes, I know the characters aren\\\'t Japanese, but the morals of the game go by very Japanese virtues). It\\\'s implied by the dialogue and story that Rock is a burden (again, no one questions Chausson\\\'s insistence that someone has to fight--Celica and Team Elma simply ask to do it FOR him). That doesn\\\'t mean they feel pacifism is \\\'\\\'wrong\\\'\\\', just a burden. For example, it\\\'s like a vegan in a village that makes its living hunting. Sure, someone can feel that he\\\'s right to not want to kill animals, but that means his lack of contribution still \\\'\\\'needs to be made up for.\\\'\\\' As such, Pacifism (even if ostensibly treated as morally \\\"right\\\") is \\\'\\\'\\\'treated as something that needs to be made up for\\\'\\\'\\\', and this is done by Celica becoming a BLADE, Team Elma offering to do it, and by Rock ultimately deciding to work extra hard to \\\"pay back\\\" Chausson for his job.
I can\\\'t explain this any more thoroughly than that.
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You\'re not hearing what I\'m saying. The story treats Rock\'s pacifism as a burden because someone else has to fight on his behalf. It doesn\'t matter that Celica and the other characters volunteered to do it on his behalf. The fact that they even felt they \'\'had\'\' to volunteer to make up for him is proof that his pacifism is a burden. Again, this is proven by the fact that, at the end, Celica is \'\'still a BLADE\'\'.
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You\\\'re not hearing what I\\\'m saying. You\\\'re thinking of this situation through your own cultural lens--NOT the cultural lens the game provides.
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The story treats Rock\\\'s pacifism as a burden because someone else has to fight on his behalf. It doesn\\\'t matter that Celica and the other characters volunteered to do it on his behalf. The fact that they even felt they \\\'\\\'had\\\'\\\' to volunteer to make up for him is proof that his pacifism is a burden. Again, this is proven by the fact that, at the end, Celica is \\\'\\\'still a BLADE\\\'\\\'.
Being a \\\"burden\\\" is not the same as being TheLoad. Rock is not Tatsu in the sense that he\\\'s a liability. The whole point of that mission was to reinforce that NLA is a collectivist haven, by demonstrating that someone who isn\\\'t doing their best to help is a burden by default. The fact that Celica went out and risked her lives, that Team Elma had to save her, and that they \\\'\\\'offer to fight on Rock\\\'s behalf\\\'\\\' proves (as far as the story is concerned) that someone who isn\\\'t helping is a burden. This is reinforced by the fact that, when Chausson tells him he\\\'s still not satisfied with Celica as a fighter, he wants Rock to work in heavy industry \\\'\\\'\\\'or get out\\\'\\\'\\\'.
Yes, Chausson \\\"settled\\\", but he still got what he wanted--a new fighter AND a new worker. In fact, if you talk to Rock afterward, he flat out tells you \\\'\\\'he feels he needs to work harder to repay Chausson for giving him a job\\\'\\\'. Let me repeat that: Rock feels indebted to Chausson for letting him not fight. If Rock wasn\\\'t a burden, and his pacifism isn\\\'t \\\"a quirk\\\", that\\\'s a very funny way to feel. Why would he feel the need to \\\'\\\'pay back\\\'\\\' someone who was \\\"wrong\\\", unless the story isn\\\'t actually presenting the person as being \\\"wrong\\\". That would be like me feeling I need to pay back a landlord that chose not to evict me for a crime I didn\\\'t commit. So yeah, Chausson ultimately got what what he wanted: two new productive citizens rather than two idle ones.
Again, it doesn\\\'t matter Rock didn\\\'t ask anyone to fight for him and no one \\\"blames\\\" him. That\\\'s how JapanesePoliteness works (and yes, I know the characters aren\\\'t Japanese, but the morals of the game go by very Japanese virtues). It\\\'s implied by the dialogue and story that Rock is a burden (again, no one questions Chausson\\\'s insistence that someone has to fight--Celica and Team Elma simply ask to do it FOR him). Pacifism is \\\'\\\'\\\'treated as something that needs to be made up for\\\'\\\'\\\', and this is done by Celica becoming a BLADE, Team Elma offering to do it, and by Rock ultimately deciding to work extra hard to \\\"pay back\\\" Chausson for his job.
I can\\\'t explain this any more thoroughly than that.
Being a \\\"burden\\\" is not the same as being TheLoad. Rock is not Tatsu in the sense that he\\\'s a liability. The whole point of that mission was to reinforce that NLA is a collectivist haven, by demonstrating that someone who isn\\\'t doing their best to help is a burden by default. The fact that Celica went out and risked her lives, that Team Elma had to save her, and that they \\\'\\\'offer to fight on Rock\\\'s behalf\\\'\\\' proves (as far as the story is concerned) that someone who isn\\\'t helping is a burden. This is reinforced by the fact that, when Chausson tells him he\\\'s still not satisfied with Celica as a fighter, he wants Rock to work in heavy industry \\\'\\\'\\\'or get out\\\'\\\'\\\'.
Yes, Chausson \\\"settled\\\", but he still got what he wanted--a new fighter AND a new worker. In fact, if you talk to Rock afterward, he flat out tells you \\\'\\\'he feels he needs to work harder to repay Chausson for giving him a job\\\'\\\'. Let me repeat that: Rock feels indebted to Chausson for letting him not fight. If Rock wasn\\\'t a burden, and his pacifism isn\\\'t \\\"a quirk\\\", that\\\'s a very funny way to feel. Why would he feel the need to \\\'\\\'pay back\\\'\\\' someone who was \\\"wrong\\\", unless the story isn\\\'t actually presenting the person as being \\\"wrong\\\". That would be like me feeling I need to pay back a landlord that chose not to evict me for a crime I didn\\\'t commit. So yeah, Chausson ultimately got what what he wanted: two new productive citizens rather than two idle ones.
Again, it doesn\\\'t matter Rock didn\\\'t ask anyone to fight for him and no one \\\"blames\\\" him. That\\\'s how JapanesePoliteness works (and yes, I know the characters aren\\\'t Japanese, but the morals of the game go by very Japanese virtues). It\\\'s implied by the dialogue and story that Rock is a burden (again, no one questions Chausson\\\'s insistence that someone has to fight--Celica and Team Elma simply ask to do it FOR him). Pacifism is \\\'\\\'\\\'treated as something that needs to be made up for\\\'\\\'\\\', and this is done by Celica becoming a BLADE, Team Elma offering to do it, and by Rock ultimately deciding to work extra hard to \\\"pay back\\\" Chausson for his job.
I can\\\'t explain this any more thoroughly than that.
