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FuzzyBarbarian Since: Jan, 2017
27th Jul, 2019 11:53:53 PM

I was actually thinking about this same problem.

I think a good way of handling it would be to make Betsy Braddock its own thing, focusing on her as Psylocke and Captain Britain. The Psylocke page being a sort of hub page for both works, so long as examples specific to Betsy are kept to her page as to avoid redundancy. So basically two folders:

Tropes applying to both

Tropes applying to Kwannon

There's no reason to give Kwannon her own page (I was going to add her under X-Men Recurring Characters), though with TV Tropes having no notability criteria, we could honestly just do that for simplicity's sake.

NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016
28th Jul, 2019 12:08:18 AM

I say leave it as is for now.

Psylocke being 1) Betsy Braddock and 2) Asian is so ingrained in the public consciousness that most adaptations of the character keep one or both of those characteristics, even if the mind swap is ignored or glossed over.

Before we make changes, I say one of two things should happen: either the change sticks for longer than two years to demonstrate it’s not just a sales-boosting fad, or Betsy-As-Captain-Britain or Kwannon-As-Psylocke amass so many tropes on their own after the change that splitting them makes organizational sense.

HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
28th Jul, 2019 05:39:16 AM

Given comic books being comic books, I think 'does an adaptation use it' is a good rule of thumb. Using the Marvels as an example, there are now adaptations with Carol-as-Captain and Kamala-as-Ms. Though, of course, that's quite a long-term solution.

Given that we already have Captain Britain and Psylocke pages, I think we can probably just divide those up for now as appropriate. If it sticks for a while we can maybe do something later.

Mrph1 MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
10th Oct, 2022 11:32:23 AM

Revisiting this in light of the "either the change sticks for longer than two years" comment above.

We're now three years on, Betsy is still Captain Britain, and she's about to get a solo Captain Britain miniseries (something the original Captain Britain never got from Marvel's global brand, as his only solo stories were in the Marvel UK anthology titles).

I think we're approaching the point where a Betsy Braddock character page makes sense. Kwannon is still appearing as Psylocke in parallel, first in Hellions and now in Marauders (2022).

Thoughts?

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
10th Oct, 2022 01:02:40 PM

Is there a clean up thread of the forum for X-men characters in the forum somewhere? I noticed a while ago the number of characters with their own page dramatically went down and I'm surprised Psylocke made the cut for their own page. It feels like Betsy Braddock and Kwannon should have their own folders on the character page that can deal with them seperately.

Tabs MOD Since: Jan, 2001
10th Oct, 2022 02:15:27 PM

You mean, like, a Characters.X Men Betsy Braddock page (or if it's small, a page going on Characters.X Men somewhere)?

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Mrph1 MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
10th Oct, 2022 03:06:04 PM

Either of those sounds good. I'd personally be tempted to put her on one of the existing pages - as ~dcutter2 pointed out, there are X-characters with just as much history (and as many tropes) who don't get their own pages. I don't have a strong view, though.

Mrph1 MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
11th Oct, 2022 07:29:05 AM

Note added to the relevant discussion pages. If nobody has concerns here or there, I’ll make the change in a week or so.

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