• 5 Mar 20th, 2017 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 22nd Mar, 2017 02:33:38 PM
    Ambaryerno and I have a couple of disagreements on the Logan page. Warning, spoilers.

    The first time we see Logan's actual clone in action, he's stopped by a gang of rednecks trying to get revenge on the actual Logan. Both villains, who are overseeing the clone, panic and attempt to withdraw Logan's clone before he can kill the rednecks, with the main bad guy trying to talk both the clone and the rednecks down. I think it's Even Evil Has Standards, he doesn't - this does come after said clone murders an entire family and it's established the bad guys have no qualms about killing and torturing people to keep quiet, but both villains become concerned about a bunch of rednecks who, predictably, die a horrible death when Logan's clone gets pushed too far. (As an aside, both villains are heavily implied to be giant-ass racists - one is a Corrupt Hick Good Ol' Boy who casually mistreated Mexican staff).

    The second is that he doesn't feel that the initial fight scene with X-23 is similarly choreographed and shot in the same manner as Hit-Girl's violent introduction in the film version of Kick-Ass, but that's obviously harder to prove when Logan's still in theatres.

    As a side note, can anyone confirm that one of the reasons for Charles' guilt is that he killed only "seven"? Some people heard 'several', some 'seven', and there's a scene where it's implied he killed a lot more than just 'seven'. Reply

      Having not seen the film myself, my question would be: do we know why the villains objected to that?

      They ran across Logan's clone in the process of kidnapping X-23, the female lead. Logan's clone was in the process of bringing her back when the rednecks crashed the party. They feared he'd go out of control, but after he kills the rednecks, the clone ALMOST goes back to normal, if Wolverine didn't get back up to piss him off even more.

      Ambaryerno says it was purely Pragmatic Villainy, but they were happy to let Logan's clone slaughter the family before. I think it can go under Pragmatic Villainy at the least.

      double post

      Even Evil Has Standards means they had a moral objection to letting death and murder happen. Is that true in this instance, especially given the second occurrence you mention?

      It sounds my description more like Pragmatic Villainy, which is about avoiding an evil deed because it would ultimately do more to harm your goals than help them.

      I think it falls under Pragmatic Villainy, as it was implied both sets of villains are on the same side, one inventing the mutant-killing crops and the other grows them. Since Rice is higher up, he can easily justify his creation slaughtering the hired muscle and the farmers.