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...No offense, but have you tried private messaging him? I'm sure you could work something out if you're both willing to compromise and hear one another out.
He just did it again now
Edited by dontcallmewave He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
Again, no offense, but what do you expect any of us to do about it? TV Tropes isn't your personal army.
What I expect you should do about it is absolutely nothing,the reason I posted this on ask the troopers was so that a mod would see it and judge for themselves if action should be taken,as is normal to do on ask the tropers
Edited by dontcallmewave He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
Don't ask here, ask on TRS. Bickering is pointless.
Half-Life: Dual Nature, a crossover story of reasonably sized proportions.
No, it's standard procedure to ask here. Certainly, if it's a more reasonable debate and people are willing to talk, you can make a TRS to get the opinions of others. But if the debate has gone into Edit War with one side (Admittedly, perhaps both) not listening to the other, snipes being taken in edit reasons, or just outright vandalism, you're supposed to report it here.
Don't take life too seriously. It's only a temporary situation.
Well, Shay Guy has referred to earlier discussion on the discussion page, and asked Don't Call Me Wave to take the issue there. I'm not seeing anything from Wave on the discussion page though, so I'd say Shay has been doing it right.
I looked at the disscusion page, and he did not give any reason for deleting any examples. the specific examples that led me to start this arnt even mentioned!
Edited by dontcallmewave He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
I also pm'd him and he has yet to give a reason why they are not valid
He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
he pm'd me back, and he outright refuses to give a reason. he claims that he explained why in the discusion page, but have searched through it and he does not
Edited by dontcallmewave He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
he did it again, and he refuses to give any good reason.
He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
None those are actually Wham Lines. Wham Lines require the wham to be delievered in the line itself, not in the actions that precede the line. Regardless of whether Shay Guy is right, you shouldn't re add the examples without going to the discussion page and settling your debate with Shay Guy there.
I've tried discussing it with him in pm's.
Edited by dontcallmewave He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
Call me skeptical, but I'd like to hear Shay Guy's side of the story. I'm sensing some bias on your part, no offense.
so ask him
He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
Going to go ahead and say here that I've removed the Harry Potter examples you added, partly because they are disputed at this point, partly due to poor spelling. If you wish to add them back after this is resolved, use proper spelling and grammar.
Edit: And he reverted my deletion. Argh.
Edited by TotemicHero Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
where exactly was there bad spelling and grammer?
Edited by dontcallmewave He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
Now that's comedy.
Here's your additions:
- Prisoner of azkaban:"he's an animagus, by the name of Peter petigrew
- Goblet of Fire: Lord Voldemort had risen again
- Half Blood Prince:Snape:Avada kedavra
Azkaban should be capitalised, as should the beginning of the dialogue. Pettigrew has two 't's in it. It's 'Lord Voldemort has risen again', with a period at the end. Avada Kedavra is spelled with two capital letters, and should also have a period at the end.
In addition, if any quotes have inverted commas around them, all of them should, for the whole page. And none of these should have been spoilered- it's a page of spoilers. if any quotes are sourced, all of them should be, and there should be a space between Source: "And the quote."
And making two errors while asking someone to prove you misspelled and/or were grammatically incorrect is pretty bad (it's 'Where exactly was there bad spelling and grammar?', but that's a horrible sentence structure to use).
Now that all cards are on the table, can we please get some consensus about the WhamLineyness of these quotes?
Edited by Somfin
...Are those really Wham Lines? They're just lines that advance the plot in a dramatic fashion. They don't make everything you thought you knew about the series a lie.
From the page:
"The most important aspect is that the audience doesn't see it coming — not just not knowing the exact information, but not expecting any kind of surprising (or even significant) line there at all."
I offer no judgments.
Edited by Somfin
I fixed the grammar, and as for the spoiler tags, they are every where else on the page, why should these examples be an exeption?
He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
Others being wrong does not mean that you are right. And the grammar may not be the key issue here. Are you certain that they belong on the page?
"not expecting any kind of surprising (or even significant) line there at all."
If that were true, than half of the examples that are on the page would have to be deleted.
Edited by dontcallmewave He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
That's not what I asked. Are you certain that they belong on the page?
yes, I am quite certain
He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
Okay. Making a judgment call here.
The first is fine. It comes out of nowhere, it changes the entire plot up to that point, and it proves that Voldemort has friends everywhere.
The second is a line in the narrative, not a line spoken by a character, and thus does not qualify.
The third comes during Malfoy's betrayal. The audience is aware that Dumbledore is weak and may be killed by someone. That the someone in question is Snape does not change the fact that we know something is going to happen, regardless. It is spoken at a moment of high tension. Thus, it does not qualify.
If you disagree, feel free to explain why the second and third should be included, but do not simply replace them without explanation.
Edited by Somfin
either way, this is about more than just my contributions.
He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
All of the deletions made by Shay Guy fail to live up to some part of the trope description for Wham Line. You brought this up because of an edit war over the two examples that I have now deleted and you have now agreed do not belong. Any other deletions were made with a similar logic to mine. The fact that he is deleting things shows that he wishes to live up to the description of the Wham Line trope as coming out of nowhere. This was never about anything more than your contributions being deleted.
I believe that this resolves the issue.
Sadly, not quite yet. Shay Guy went ahead and removed the first one with no explanation (His given edit reason only applies to another example he deleted simultaneously), so I'm going to PM him myself to try and get him to participate in this discussion. (Hopefully it will go better than dontcallmewave's P Ms.)
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Why don't you put it on the discussion page for the trope? It is kinda the place for this.
Too late, I sent the PM. If he doesn't respond by tomorrow, I will take it back to the discussion.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
I literally had no idea this discussion was going on here until I got Totemic Hero's PM.
Okay, several lines are being argued over. Which one is currently up for discussion? The Prisoner of Azkaban example? Because the scene has a lot of buildup to that line, including the ones immediately preceding it outright stating that Scabbers wasn't a rat, and was in fact a wizard. The matter of which wizard magnifies the surprise and/or incredulity, given what we knew or thought we knew of him, but Rowling very clearly indicates "I'm about to drop a bomb on you" before she does. That was ultimately why I cut it.
Some others were pretty fuzzy. For instance, after watching the scene for myself, I decided to keep 'Okay, kid, this is where it gets complicated' based on the fact that it's almost impossible to see and recognize Amy in there before recognizing her voice — had the camera been on her for a second or two before she spoke, it would've been a no, because the surprise would've come from the image. Had it not cut to show her until a word or two into the line, it would've been a more definite yes.
There are probably a lot more non-examples on there that I don't know about due to unfamiliarity with the source material.
-facepalm- I give up
He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
Shay Guy keeps on deleting examples he believes "are not valid" in Wham Line.
Edited by dontcallmewave