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Sounds like "mutually toxic" would be an improvement.
Bumping.
This is misuse of Broken Base which has to acknowledge both sides, this one is just ones complaints.
Should it be cut or does anyone have any inclinations to fix it?
As I said in the OP post:
"In retrospect, the entry should probably be reworded to further explain what the audience is split on regarding these points (basically, whether or not Rudeus deserves "redemption" , whether the ending "rewards" people for crappy behavior, and whether or not it sends the wrong message about "redemption" in general)."
The problem isn't that the example "just uses complaints". It's that it doesn't explain WHY the audience is split.
For example, whether or not Rudeus's behavior is "crappy" is not debatable. That is a straight-up fact as it's what his entire character arc revolves around, with even in-universe acknowledgement. The question is whether or not he deserves such an arc, and whether or not said arc is done well.
It does acknowledge both sides. It just doesn't elaborate on them.
Bump. Not sure if this has been resolved or not.
It has not.
You lose your temper in the PM exchange as well, Nubian. Is there some third party that you know agrees with your interpretation of the work that you feel you can ask to help refine the example context by working with Qubritz?
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
I admit to losing my temper as well, and apologize for that. I still want to note, however, that their hostilities were unprovoked.
As for a third party: I don't know of any, but I could take it to the Discussion page. Again, my main concern is that Qubritz agreed that I was right before they changed their mind after our "chat" and re-addied their version when things went south without any edit reason. Regardless of any personal grievances, their Edit Waring, combined with their attitude during our PMs still makes disinclined to interact with them again.
Edited by NubianSatyress
On YMMV.Mushoku Tensei, Tropers.Qubritz added the following
(bolded for emphasis) to a Broken Base entry:
In retrospect, the entry should probably be reworded to further explain what the audience is split on regarding these points (basically, whether or not Rudeus deserves "redemption"note , whether the ending "rewards" people for crappy behavior, and whether or not it sends the wrong message about "redemption" in general). But, on top of that, the bolded section is a gross oversimplification of the actual issues with those characters. As I edited here
, the two are mutually toxic to each other.
Eris is introduced as a Spoiled Brat who is verbally and physically abusive to Rudeus when he is brought in to be her magic tutor. This is very much Played for Drama and not treated as amusing.
After he arranges a fake-turned-real kidnapping, she grows to like and respect him and from then on, the few times she does hit him, it is portrayed as the usual anime Tsundere/Double Standard: Abuse, Female on Male/Pervert Revenge Mode anime hijinks and absolutely Played for Laughs, as it's clear that the two of them are really into each other and everybody pretty much expects Rudeus to bed Eris at some point Her father even explicitly gives him permission in a moment of Deliberate Values Dissonance. (They're both like physically 12 at this point, btw, although Rudeus was a middle-aged man in his past life. And absolutely still sees himself as an adult.) At the same time, Rudeus makes an attempt to take off and steal Eris's panties while she's asleep, and after her father does arrange for her and Rudeus to go to bed together, Rudeus ignores an uncomfortable Eris after she changes her mind and tells him to stop until she is forced to hit him. (And I repeat, Eris is about 12 at this time, while Rudeus is a 30-something implied pedophile in the body of a child.)
The "Eris is the unambiguous abuser toward Rudeus" aspect of their relationship literally doesn't last longer than the first full episode she's introduced (in the anime). The majority of their screentime features the two of them being basically flawed, awkward people, and one of them being too young to be attempting the relationship they have. Even if we accept that Eris is an abusive brat, and is still pretty violent after she catches feelings for him, he is still mentally an adult, while she is a child.
NOTE: I'd also like to state that, after my first edit, Qubritz agreed that "mutually-abusive" was a better way to describe their relationship. Then, shortly afterwards, he suddenly sent me a PM out of the blue asking to chat, which quickly turned sour after we had a disagreement about the portrayal of a fictional character, and he turned pretty hostile.
Then, after I blocked him, he re-added
the bolded section. Again, after previously agreeing that "mutually toxic" was the best way to define their relationship.
Edited by NubianSatyress