We Are Our Avatars (Discussion)

Maybe a bit of a compromise then. Doesn't really get involved in the fighting, but engages more often in dialogue. It's been a few years since I've done any roleplaying.

edited 23rd Aug '17 9:17:34 PM by ericshaofangwang

Good sir, do you have no other form of compromise other than repeating a decision to be inactive solely to keep the character's powers as they are?

I'll limit the resources has then. 5 warframes (Valkyr, Limbo, Oberon, Chroma and Nova). An orbiter and her default form's standard abilities. And I don't think I said I hacked into the comms during the RP either. Please, I'm trying to be genuinely sincere here. I don't have any ill intentions for you or the other roleplayers and I'm still tweaking my operator as you have asked.

edited 23rd Aug '17 10:12:38 PM by ericshaofangwang

Just so we're 100% clear here, what do you mean by "default form's standard abilities"? I believe this is the part that we need to clear up, since it's the focus of this inquiry.

A Tenno operator in warframe can fire a beam of energy, engage in melee combat by releasing void energy in a blast from their limbs, shift their plane existence between the void and reality, and effectively teleport short distance by using the void as a shortcut.

Hmmmm. May I ask a hypothetical question then? If they can do all this on their own, what use do they have for a Warframe?

Operators are glass cannons basically, one hit from any sufficiently powerful source and their form will disperse and they will have to reform in the void. That, and according to Warframe's lore at first the operators' couldn't control their powers and harmed just about everyone around them. The warframes were meant as a way to contain and use their power safely. After the War Within quest the operators no longer need the warframes to use their abilites safely but are nonetheless still fragile and the warframes themselves make useful alterations to their abilities.

edited 23rd Aug '17 9:53:41 PM by ericshaofangwang

So, that is a lot of words that don't tell much to someone who doesn't play Warframe. What would you contextualize the capabilities of these powers as, considering this rp is a grab bag of concepts from fictional settings?

Something like, say, akin to a deity? Or something more like, say, a superhero on Green Lantern's level? Or someone more like an ordinary human?

To contextualise this I'd say a tenno is roughly on par with a demigod in most other settings. Though with specific warframes they more aor less a deity.

edited 23rd Aug '17 10:20:57 PM by ericshaofangwang

I think that is the primary issue. You see, from what I believe the majority of us who bothered to research Warframe had heard of (or at least what I was told), this Operator is in essence a prepubescent with powers that have minimal capabilities which enable him solely to survive amongst a whole lot of combat droids. Essentially, someone who might have an incredible power but is fragile due to being stuck as a semi-human with all the trappings and weaknesses thereof.

But you have stated that you are essentially playing the equivalent of Heracles controlling Zeus with minimal effort, in a setting where the most powerful creatures walking around on the surface are elemental spirits or dragons at best.

I believe there is a very large disparity between what you are presenting us and what we had heard when you stated you wanted to play an Operator from Warframe. Do I have that right?

edited 23rd Aug '17 10:27:36 PM by Raidouthe21st

Sorry, I think I didn't word my response correctly. A tenno is more or less equivalent to a demigod (the most powerful warframes like limbo and nova having godlike power) while in their warframes and a glass cannon without.

edited 23rd Aug '17 10:33:18 PM by ericshaofangwang

So while an Operator who isn't using a Warframe still carries roughly the same level of offensive capability as the Warframe they would be piloting, they are exactly as squishy as any normal human would be?

Not really, Their default abilities are great utility wise, but are average in offensive capability at best. But some warframe can make a tenno much more powerful lorewise.

edited 23rd Aug '17 10:54:44 PM by ericshaofangwang

Here's the thing. From what we've seen from looking into Warframe, that's not the case as far as canon goes.

The problem here is that you have fluffed up the Operator's abilities to an extreme degree. In and out of their Tenno. And, you've demostrated that you play these incredibly powerful characters in a manner that makes other's somewhat uncomfortable.

However, we'd like for you to actually be able to play the game, which is why we rejected the offer of simply observing. We are going to have to strike a balance here at some point.

I believe I didn't fluff up the lore about some of the warframes abilities. The operator has average offensive capability at best (an operator's attacks aren't as damaging as a warframe's abilities but they have a lot of utility) while warframes such as Limbo is a god inside his pocket dimension(if his lore is anything to go by) Nova can control and create antimatter, Inaros was worshipped as a literal god of the desert, and Mag having complete control over magnetism. Warframe has a lot of gameplay and lore segregation.

edited 23rd Aug '17 10:52:03 PM by ericshaofangwang

You sound like you're trying to mix the lore and the quantifiable elements from the game itself into a weird amalgamation that makes them out to be far stronger than they should logically be by your own admittance. Lore isn't necessarily reflective of what actually plays out. There are numerous works where the lore is written in a way where it's intentionally skewed to sound far more grandiose than the reality. Like Warhammer 40k, for example.

Even if that's not true, the Operator was surviving hanging out in the vacuum of space. If that's reflective of their original capabilities, that does not sound like a glass cannon to me.

You can't use one aspect and point to another as a way to dissuade us from bringing it up, man.

edited 23rd Aug '17 11:03:44 PM by Raidouthe21st

I actually had the operator survive in the vaccum of space by her being in a warframe. After getting out of the vacuum one of the first things she does is inspect the damage done to her warframe. The lore for the tenno's warframes aren't exaggerated as lorewise, they are reflective of their actual capabilities. Either way, I'm still nerfing the operator to be more in line iwth this RP's power levels.

edited 24th Aug '17 2:25:12 AM by ericshaofangwang

Well, I had a talk with the guy who's running the current on-going plot for the game. He doesn't think he can properly accommodate a character like Operator in it.

Since they're your only character at the moment, and you don't seem happy on the idea of budging in regards to the operator themselves, perhaps you could try a different character in the meantime? To get a feel for what people consider easier to work with?

Alright then, I'll create a character for this current plot and return to using the Operator afterwards.

Name: Calla

Species: Cthulhi (Cthulhu's star spawn)

Appearance: Resembles his progenitor Cthulhu, but has a comparatively slim torso and is realtively lanky.

Personality: As a curious fledgeling of a Great Old One who wishes to interact with and understand the other sentient species of the multiverse, he seeks sentient beings to communicate with. Although he is slow on the uptake and may not follow the morality of many other characters he ultimately has no ill intention against sentient beings and only seeks to understand them.

Powers and Abilities: Since the powers of many of the Great Old Ones in Lovecraft's stories aren't all that clear, I'll just go with a few of the abilities his progenitor Cthulhu has shown. Regeneration, telepathy, the inducing of insanity and fluency in R'lyehn would be his core set I suppose.

edited 24th Aug '17 8:17:38 AM by ericshaofangwang

No offense, but it seems that you have learned little from our discussion here, considering you are proposing a character who is arguably even more of an obviously godlike entity than your Operator person was. Do you have any other ideas at all? Because perhaps this kind of rp isn't something your speed.

Oh no, I meant for his abilities to be much more toned down compared to Cthulhu. His telepathy and ability to induce insanity is weak at best and would only unreliably work over the course of several continuous hours. His only real noteworthy abilities are his regeneration and fluency in R'lyehn. Anyways, I live down under in Australia and I've got to catch some sleep. Let's continue this in a few hours.

edited 24th Aug '17 8:25:58 AM by ericshaofangwang

While WAOA does have few caps or limitations on powers, we're very much on the cautious side of people who want to play an incredibly powerful character out of the gate, and you've not made a case that either the Operator or this cthulhoid spawn are something to not worry about. You've actually convinced me that characters from Warframe are an even bigger problem than I thought for example, and if the current plot runner says he can't work with something, then bargaining isn't something that will force it to work.

I do understand that it's been a while since you've participated in a play by post role playing game, and that you're not going out of your way to be a nuisance. But I don't think any of the other players really put much stock into such statements when they see that you are interested in a compromise only to the extent that you want to play only a few gods at a time instead of a singular one, or the spawn of a great old one that isn't as up to snuff as his brothers but still something to be feared intensely.

At this stage, I think perhaps this isn't the kind of rp that you're looking for. You might want to try something more like in the forum games section that will allow you to play such powerful creations with minimal interference from the other players, or another rp where such things aren't an issue at all.

I'd like to point out that only the four of Cthulhu's spawn have any actual godlike power (Cthylla, Ghatanathoa, Ythogha, and Zoth Ammog who are Great Old Ones). Also,most Great Old Ones and even Outer Gods are implied to be relatively powerless when they are young (Calla is a very young Cthulhi after all, and even then the Cthulhi as a species are superhuman, but not godlike) if the origins of Cxaxukluth, an outer god who is a direct fission of Azathoth mean anything.

edited 24th Aug '17 4:20:52 PM by ericshaofangwang

Thanks for not addressing my main concern.

Please find another game to play, and have a nice day.

Fine, do you have any recommendations? And pull the kill switch on my operator then.