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Tom, the reason nobody's buying brand-new M-16A1s these days is because nobody has made them since the 1980s — there are no brand-new A1s to be bought or sold anymore.

The A1 was replaced by the A2 with the USMC in 1982, and the rest of the US armed forces followed suit by the end of the decade. There's little point in continuing to manufacture a weapon variant that is no longer desired by its primary customer.

edited 1st Nov '16 7:47:24 PM by pwiegle

Tom: No they aren't and Pwiegle explains why rather neatly for the M-16.

The A2 is everywhere and additional variants have additional use in varying countries that is just the M-16 which has had extensive modularity to thank for its prolonged life. The AKM itself has been modernized even further and despite AK-74M being available they are still widely made and used around the world in great quantity. Nearly every single make of the M-16 can have an automatic sear and trigger group dropped into on the cheap so there is no need to buy or manufacture an M-16 A1 when all you have to do reproduce it is buy some relatively cheap off the shelf parts and install them. Same for the M-4. The M-16 isn't fading away at all Tom. Just because they haven't manufactured an older model because of changes that occurred decades ago doesn't mean the whole weapon system is fading.

The FAL isn't falling out of favor it still used by close to 100 different countries and is still widely manufactured to date. They also aren't even a full lb heavier then the baseline SCAR-H sans accessories. They are also cheaper. No the early marks of AK are around in abundance, still widely manufactured, and most importantly cheaper then the newer weapons which with their modernized variants has helped keep them kicking along just fine.

I also hate to tell you Tom but the Chinese sell pretty much the more poorly made Chinese knock offs of all of those items and most of the world knows it. It is why most prefer to still buy Russian over Chinese any day of the week. To top that off all of the examples you listed are more expensive and all of those older weapon designs are still being made and are comparatively cheaper especially given the stocks of all three rifles number in the millions.

No Tom they aren't fading at all.

India plans to induct Excalibur as the interim INSAS replacement, pending finalization of a 7.62x51mm choice. Excalibur is basically an upgraded, hopefully bug-fixed INSAS.

"Hopefully" bug fixed? I think they've moved beyond "hope" and into "human sacrifice rituals to the Old Gods" by this point.

Well, the basic idea is to use the rifle to sacrifice the enemy's soldiers.

We interrupt and discontinue any previous argumentation to bring you this! The Tac Sac.

No I wouldn't want one. I already have enough balls to grab onto.

It's this kinda shit that makes me wish for more gun control.

Great now we have obnoxiousness of truck testicles only for guns. -_-

In other news, are there 60 round casket STANAG mags around? I know the Russians have some from the old AK-12 program and they're apparently already heavily distributed.

I see them in games but it's pretty obvious someone just bulged out the model old metal ones. Do we have any real ones?

Ban assault testicles...

On less shitty attachment news:

AR stocks and grips that look like something straight out of Ghost in the Shell.

And those are California legal? Damn that looks cool.

Buy a pair of these and you'll have plenty of control for your gun.

Seriously though, don't. We already have enough people flapping their sacks around.

Surefire makes STANAG 60-round and 100-round casket mags. Available through Brownell's.

I'm thinking about training and carrying for my own safety. Any advice for something small but accurate, that will chamber rubber rounds? That also won't break bank?

edited 9th Nov '16 11:02:19 AM by blkwhtrbbt

This:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbu_Super-Shorty

Takes 12 gauge less-than-lethal rounds including rubber. At the range you'd need it at, it's going to be much better than a dinky compact pistol.

Price range, concealed carry or open carry (not recommended), sub compact or full sized, CCL rules for your state?

Here is a quick list for CCW

You really don't want to use rubber shot for self defense, trust me, every time a civilian uses less than lethal ammunition on someone they get sued to oblivion with unnecessary use of force charges on the account that failure to use lethal force while using a firearm as an indication of your life not being at jeopardy to justify its use. If your life is really threatened shoot the motherfucker dead, specially since there is the risk of less than lethal methods not working.

edited 9th Nov '16 11:12:23 AM by AngelusNox

Infuriatingly, it might be less of a legal nightmare to let those you might have to defend yourself against bleed out instead of curl up in pain depending on the state you're in.

Yeah. Sorry about that.

I live in Alabama.

Where you could buy guns practically willy-nilly.

I plan to have a concealed carry license. No point in causing panic everywhere I go.

I prefer in the low-mid hundreds. I cannot afford anything in the thousands.

I had thought about m1911s because they're just so cool, but I had heard whispers that ACP rounds are going out of style and so might be getting difficult to find?

I doubt the American love affair with the .45 ACP will ever end There will never be a shortage of .45 ACP at an affordable price.

However, you're looking at 7+1 chambered in most configs, and I think a concealable double stack 1911 is an oxymoron.

EDIT: Look for a used Glock in a concealable form factor? They're everywhere for a good reason. Just don't mess up trigger safety. Really.

edited 9th Nov '16 11:21:35 AM by Krieger22

Is that easy to do? I don't plan to store the gun loaded. I can't bring guns to work anyway.

The four rules should be enough. But you should be following them regardless of what you carry.

Otherwise this is the outcome:

If you're going to carry a gun with a loaded chamber, I strongly recommend a Double Action handgun. Sig Sauer, FN and Berreta have nice DA handguns on the market.

As much as .45 is a popular round 9mm still cheaper and more available, if you like 1911s S&W, Colt and Para Ordnance have 9mm 1911 models, but most are Single Action handguns so even with the thumb safety models, condition one (round in the chamber, safety on, hammer cocked) isn't really safe for new or inexperienced shooters, so condition two (round in the chamber, safety on, hammer uncocked) should be safe enough.

On a 1911-pattern handgun, the thumb safety can't be switched on unless the hammer is cocked. (But it also has a grip safety, which makes up for that.) So Condition Two is: mag loaded, chamber loaded, hammer down, safety off.

However, I wouldn't recommend a 1911 as a first handgun. Angelus' suggestion of something with a double-action trigger is a sound one. Or, if you're not hung up on ammo capacity, a revolver.

Personally, I've been looking at Kahr Arms' CT9 pistol. Kahr handguns are well-made, have a nice smooth double-action trigger, and get excellent reviews. The CT series is Kahr's budget line of pistols that retail for around $400. The CT9 is a mid-sized, double-action-only, single-stack (8+1), polymer and stainless 9mm. They also make the CT40 and CT45, in .40 S&W and .45 ACP respectively, which hold 7+1.

edited 9th Nov '16 2:40:23 PM by pwiegle

Weeeelp. I'm a pinko commie lover with LGBT family in a county that went deep Trump. Time to consider buying some guns.

Recommendations for brands, accessories, etc.?

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