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Best bolt action rifle was the Gewehr 98? Aye, right.

Lee-Enfield SMLE Mk III and Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk I say "Hi!" and "Two World Wars and one World Cup!"

Your salty tears of pain bring me great joy. BWAHAHAHAHA! If they do get the Enfield in it should be interesting.

A proper bolt action contemporary competition would include:

• G98/Kar98k
• M1903 Springfield
• Type 38/99 Arisaka
• Lee-Enfield SMLE/No. 4
• Mosin-Nagant
• Lebel 1886
• MAS-36
• Carcano
• M1917 Enfield

And they must include bayonets!

edited 18th Sep '15 5:26:38 AM by MajorTom

I would love to see a series of bench tests alone among those rifles.

In today's issue of Weird and What-inducing Weaponry: INKUNZI PAW.

It doesn't look like it's meant for human shooters.

So the ejection port for a 20x42mm grenade is right next to your face if you fire it from the right shoulder.

But firing it from the left shoulder is impossible because the trigger is placed on the right side of the receiver, not below it.

I really wanna know who thought this was a good idea.

Get out of my personal area, stalker.

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It isn't meant for humans, it is meant to kill those fooking prawns.

You got that profile picture from /k/ didn't you?

edited 21st Sep '15 6:42:07 AM by AngelusNox

/k/an confirm.

Lol.

The PAW is a lot like the Punisher. A bit too much gun for the troops. Recoil in both is kinda nasty and both are rather hefty weapons.

Kind of reminds me of that "Low Impulse" over the shoulder 75mm cannon.

I feel like heavy recoil is the least of this weapon's problems.

I heard the XM-25 reviews by the group units that used them were very favorable, at this point I'd guess there would be a push for putting the XM-25 in service or making an airburst version of the 40mm grenade usable by the M-4 or M-16 launchers.

You haven't been paying attention to this thread enough have you? (Here.)

edited 21st Sep '15 5:27:57 PM by MajorTom

The XM-25 could be made workable but it needs more time to iron out its issues. The biggest ones though was weight and surprisingly high recoil. When it worked though yeah it reportedly did pretty good. It also had a serious issue with misfire causing some injury.

The 40mm UBGL versions will likely be out first and in more wide spread use as they are just tweaking a munition rather then a separate system.

I heard it was high weight, straight up bulk, recoil, and the grenades didn't quite have enough oomph.

And the fact it looked like something out of a Hollywood movie that blew its budget on the props and visual effects.

That post predates my entrance to this forum.

But good to know, the Chinese have a bolt action version of the OICW but I am really skeptical of that one.

USMC Unveils Small Arms Modernization Intentions.

Some of those are not so good (why M4? It's crap!), some of them make you think (suppressors for everyone), some of them make you wonder "WTF Marines? Y U TAKE SO LONG?!?" (M2A1HB upgrades).

But the last one is one that got me thinking "Now there's a good idea finally reaching operational status!". Specifically polymer-cased ammo. Unlike CT ammo used in the LSAT, it's basically the same 5.56, 7.62 and .50 cal ammo in the same shape but the casing is lightweight heat resistant polymer rather than brass. (I wonder how it compares to CT ammo from the LSAT.)

garcon: The lack of firepower was the reason for going from 20mm to 25mm. However the USMC still thinks that is too much drop off for too little return. Hard to tell who is right on that one until they further develop the more sophisticated 40mm rounds.

Tom; Considering polymer casing is not new nothing special really. Personally the LSAT improved quite a bit on an old design that polymer casing is just rehashing the same design with a new fur coat.

edited 21st Sep '15 9:46:22 PM by TuefelHundenIV

The new casings including polymer and CT can be show on this picture

But would those polymer casings be a good stopgap until we finish sorting out this LSAT business?

Not the first time they have been brought up. They haven't held up so well in the past so who knows. LSAT is a completely new weapon with new action and mechanisms. By all accounts it is much better then the weapon it is replacing. Unlike the Polymer casings for LSAT there is only savings in ammo weight rather then a combination of ammo and weapon like with the LSAT. There aren't any problems with LSAT Telescoped actually. Again by all accounts it is doing rather well. It was the Caseless LSAT program that has been hitting snags.

edited 21st Sep '15 10:22:37 PM by TuefelHundenIV

The M320 was designed to fire "smart grenades". It's longer chamber allows for "less lethal" round to be fired as well.

(Funny story: an 11B was on the firing range with a M320 and he'd forgotten to clean it. The training round go stuck in the barrel and exploded, covering him in blue chalk. The range safety said he looked like a smurf.)

The LSAT's big issue will be getting the rounds to the units. There will be some resistance to the "M-16/M-4 is the 'Warfighter's' choice" crowd, but that's just a matter of the old guard. Most of them are leaving for retirement.

The staff at Benning like it, unlike the XM-8. That was almost killed outright because the Infantry branch didn't like another office showing up the beloved M-4 (then the melting thing did it in). LSAT has friends and the weight along beats the M-16/M-4 like a red-headed stepchild.

It's getting enough rounds in the system and training the Depot level maintenance (support companies, DOD civilians, sorting out new TM's). A lot of unit armorers will be unhappy because they will have to go back to school. And they will be more unhappy as Private Snuff breaks his new LSAT by treating it like an M-16.

The manual of arms would be easy. Unless Big Army decides to put M-16's and M-4's in basic and then says "Soldiers, you'll learn about LSAT when you get to your unit, if they have it." Which is what I suspect TRADOC will do...

When the Army gets the round (and doesn't fuck up the logistics) we'll probly see front line regular units getting LSAT first, with National Guard and Reserve getting them as they deploy.

Active duty is easy. There are National Guard units with M-1 Garands in their unit armories. Reserve units went to Iraq with M-16A2's from the Cold War and M-60's. It took a lot to get most of the older rifles out of the system.

Even in active duty there are branches that treat weapons as an afterthough.

A coup would be to get NATO and other allies to "buy in" on LSAT. It would lower the price.

edited 21st Sep '15 11:37:03 PM by TairaMai

How does the CT ammo work?

The charge surrounds the ammo. CT ammo has a plastic cover, shielding it from the elements. Unlike casseless (which is a type of CT), the plastic covering keeps the moisture out and reduces the chance of a cook off.

Technology Marches On: brass cases help take some of the heat away when the chamber and shield the primer and gunpowder. It took a while for the tech and materials to catch up. CT rounds are shorter and lighter.