Follow TV Tropes

Following

Touhou

Go To

MachThreeSlug Since: Dec, 2011
#129676: Oct 13th 2015 at 4:49:47 PM

[up][up]That was quite the splitting headache she gave to that former fortune teller.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#129677: Oct 13th 2015 at 6:11:43 PM

So "needless" means "for reasons I don't personally agree with"?

Check out my fanfiction!
Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#129678: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:14:37 PM

As Clarste pointed out, he was kind of already dead.

[up]Really, if a person doesn't agree with the reasons for a killing, it's pretty fair for them to call it "needless."

edited 13th Oct '15 7:14:50 PM by Durazno

Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#129679: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:16:11 PM

Does a 1cc with higher starting lives stop being a 1cc?

I'm getting the impression that you're looking for reasons to get angry. Stop that

Besides Sanae Kochiya, are there any other characters that share her background as a modern-day denizen of the Outside World (until they ended in Gensoukyou some way or the other)?

Kanako, Suwako, Mamizou, Sumireko, Hecatia, probably Junko

edited 13th Oct '15 7:16:23 PM by Hylarn

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#129680: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:47:26 PM

I wasn't calling it needless myself. I was quoting Reimu.

I have a message from another time...
MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#129681: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:52:42 PM

Does a 1cc with higher starting lives stop being a 1cc?

No. There's no shame in setting the life/bomb counter higher if you can. Well outside of score that is, but that's it. My first 1cc on EOSD Normal was set to maximum lives. Hell come to think of it, I think I did my first 1cc's on several games with the lives and bombs turned up.

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#129682: Oct 13th 2015 at 7:57:25 PM

So here is a thought what came to mind: if a Hourai cannot be killed even if you went in time and tried to kill them before they drank the Elixir, what would happen if you tried to make it that they were never born in the first place?

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#129683: Oct 13th 2015 at 8:19:19 PM

Then you'd just create an alternate timeline.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#129684: Oct 13th 2015 at 9:08:51 PM

Or they come into existence when they would be born, regardless.

I have a message from another time...
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#129685: Oct 13th 2015 at 9:15:04 PM

Really, the only two ways I could see dealing with an Hourai is:

1) Eliminating their soul. The body would continue to exist and regenerate, but it would never be able to move or function without a soul to keep it going.

2) Wipe out every trace of time where the person who took the elixir ever existed. Granted, this would probably create a gigantic paradox, but hey.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#129686: Oct 13th 2015 at 9:32:17 PM

It depends on what you define as dealing with them. If you mean killing them forever, then yeah, some highly dangerous Time Crash would have to be what you do, and even then it's iffy.

But if you just want them out of your way for the rest of your life, there's always stuff like imprisonment in such a way that they can't escape unaided.

I have a message from another time...
Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#129687: Oct 13th 2015 at 9:40:21 PM

First, I'd like to note that I have no idea where this talk about time travel came from. Second, if the hourai elixir is fantastic in nature, I'd expect it to have the usual weaknesses

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#129688: Oct 13th 2015 at 9:40:42 PM

Gensokyo got sealed in 1884 or so, but the Outside World is supposed to be an alternate future where people got super obsessed over the environment or something. Sumireko's apparently from the present, while Maribel and Renko are from the near future. The Moriya trio probably came to Gensokyo in the near past Outside-wise, if Sanae's fanon otakuness is any indication.

I think all indications are that Gensokyo is taking place in the present (like, literally right now), and everyone who's moved there is from our reality. Any differences in descriptions are just distorted and biased statements by the characters. However, Renko and Merryberry are from the future, whenever that is (I would estimate late 21st century or early 22nd).

edited 13th Oct '15 9:41:07 PM by Clarste

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#129689: Oct 13th 2015 at 9:41:43 PM

What are the usual weaknesses?

I have a message from another time...
Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#129690: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:32:28 PM

There's that thing where metaphysics are ultimately based on human belief...

Art:

A nonspell
Break the moon
Immortals
Aya
Kagerou
Tossing

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#129691: Oct 13th 2015 at 11:34:57 PM

So, what, the elixir will work until the outside world develops immortality and people stop disbelieving in it?

I have a message from another time...
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#129693: Oct 14th 2015 at 1:30:25 PM

@Feel Deeds Awake:

    Folderized to save space 
Hey there! Thanks for the questions! grin Always appreciated.
No, I should be thanking you guys for taking the time to answer them. For the record, the questions are partly for a specific story idea in which Shinji Ikari gets pulled into Gensokyo by Yukari on a whim while he's running away from Tokyo-3.

OK, so, if we're counting all chars who lived in the Modern Outside World before coming to Gensokyo, we have Sanae, Sumi (as Enlong said), Mamizou (as Bocaj said), and also Kanako and Suwako. But! If you are more interested in the "Fish out of water" element of Sanae, then only Sumi shares that with her, the other three are pros.
I see. How familiar are this youkai trio with the modern world?

No, that is only very popular fanon (sadly). There is at least one Game Boy around, but no one knows how to use it, that's pretty much it in terms of video games. It is possible that many chars have probably heard of them thanks to the aforementioned Outsiders, though.
Oh. So I should scrap the idea of, say, Yukari/Remilia/Flandre occassionally killing time playing classic Nintendo-hard video games?

Well, even without video games, that part is certainly canon. The Kappa can build modern-style machinery no problem, such as cameras, or a GRENADE LAUNCHER (!?), and at least they and the Tengu know how to use it.
... How the hell is there no at least one video game console around if they can make all that?

@Dragon Geyser:

    Folderized to save space 
Gensokyo got sealed in 1884 or so, but the Outside World is supposed to be an alternate future where people got super obsessed over the environment or something.
... Huh? What significance would that have at all in the setting? I mean, Gensokyo is isolated from the Outside World, so even if it became a lifeless pollution-ridden wasteland, it won't make a difference (barring no more people or objects coming in from the other side, of course).

There are also Yumemi and Chiyuri, but nobody really knows for sure where they're from time or dimension-wise thanks to PC-98 vagueness. Probably either a completely alternate dimension where technology became able to replicate magic or the same timeframe as Maribel and Renko.
... Wait, what? How the heck would they even interact with the denizens of Gensokyo?

If we count Uwabami Breakers as part of Touhou canon, all those characters are also from Outside.
What is "Uwabami Breakers"?

As for tech, it really is kinda schitzo. For the most part, the majority of tech is still at Meiji level, but various forgotten things from Outside can drop into Gensokyo from time to time.
So such tech would be rather antiquated stuff, right? Or stuff like Nikola Tesla's oft-rumoured bizarre inventions — like the "death ray" — that were never found and thus considered more or less complete bogus (perhaps the product of his mind gradually slipping into insanity)?

There's also the possibility of people or youkai making their own advanced tech, like with Rika's tanks and the kappa in general.
... So Remilia's army of tanks and other modern military weapons in the MMD series Red Alert (where she launches an all-out nonlethal assault on everyone and their mother in Gensokyo in a bid for total domination for some reason) didn't come out of a void.

Eientei's probably the most advanced area due to having access to Lunarian tech
Yeah, I've been meaning to ask... What is Lunarian tech like?


@Enlong:

And then there was that time that Rinnosuke had a Game Boy and was convinced Yukari was gonna use it to end the world.
... Wait, what? How the hell could you end the world with a Game Boy???

And the iPod which stubbornly refuses to reveal its musical secrets. And some computers (which are clearly some form of shikigami, since they fail to work when placed in water)

Basically, if anyone has modern tech, it's Rinnosuke. And he has no clue how it works.

... Ooohhh, so he's just misunderstanding the nature of the devices that he finds. Has he ever thought of asking Sanae or Sumireko about them, given that they're humans from the modern-day Outside World?


@Hylarn:

Kanako, Suwako, Mamizou, Sumireko, Hecatia, probably Junko
... Hecatia's choice of fashion style is very interesting. But why "probably" for Junko?

edited 14th Oct '15 1:32:44 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#129694: Oct 14th 2015 at 1:57:58 PM

Has he ever thought of asking Sanae or Sumireko about them, given that they're humans from the modern-day Outside World?

Those characters hadn't been introduced yet when Rinnosuke's first serialization ended.

FellDeedsAwake Since: Mar, 2010
#129695: Oct 14th 2015 at 4:29:06 PM

@Marq FJA:

No, I should be thanking you guys for taking the time to answer them.

No no, we literally have nothing better to do ^^ And I, for my part, really enjoy doing it, especially because you seem genuinely interested smile (Also, your folder technique there was pretty cool, hadn't seen that before)

I see. How familiar are this youkai trio with the modern world?

I'd say as familiar as anyone from our world, really. (Well, keep in mind that they left the Modern World a couple years ago, so they'd be a little bit behind.) Also, Kanako and Suwako are Gods, not Youkai.

Oh. So I should scrap the idea of, say, Yukari/Remilia/Flandre occassionally killing time playing classic Nintendo-hard video games?

Well, listen smile Why should you? The only reason why you should scrap it immediately is if you're as big of a canon-freak as me. So, you shouldn't. That's what Fanon is for. And there are literally thousands of fanworks where that kind of stuff is common (for example, I'd say 80% or so of all Fanon portayals of Kaguya have her as a gamer girl; not supported by canon, but literally only like three people care).

... How the hell is there no at least one video game console around if they can make all that?

There actually is no reason, really smile With what we know of the technological capabilities of the Kappa, they should be able to make game consoles. If any fanwork (or a canon work, whatever) justified the sudden existence of video games in Gensokyo with "the Kappa made them!", then I don't think anyone could argue against it.

... Wait, what? How the heck would they even interact with the denizens of Gensokyo?

Well, that happened in the PC-98 days, which are very different from today's standards, and the canonicity of which is heavily disputed. Short story: Yumemi pretty much is a Touhou version of Doctor Who with a TARDIS. She just travelled over time and space to Gensokyo, simple as that. Chiyuri is her companion.

What is "Uwabami Breakers"?

Here. Don't worry, I had never heard about it either.

stuff like Nikola Tesla's oft-rumoured bizarre inventions — like the "death ray"

Ohhh! surprised I love that idea! That thing could certainly land in Gensokyo. Didn't he also claim to have made an Earthquake Machine?

What is Lunarian tech like?

Well, that is almost a complete mystery (I think there were very small, interesting infos strewn all about the official books, but I can't remember anything concrete right now sad) But we can say this: it's Ultra-Highly advanced without a doubt. Could maybe be Protoss-level or something like that.

@Bocaj:

Only barely relevant but.

Very cute! grin However! I unconciously added an extra "t" to the end of your sentence there wink I dunno what it says about me that that happened. Or what is says about the thread that it didn't surprise me at all wink "Here's a link to an unrelated butt, everyone!"

Btw: unrelated photo of a butt

edited 14th Oct '15 4:30:22 PM by FellDeedsAwake

Prime32 Since: Jan, 2001
#129696: Oct 14th 2015 at 5:39:58 PM

There actually is no reason, really smile With what we know of the technological capabilities of the Kappa, they should be able to make game consoles. If any fanwork (or a canon work, whatever) justified the sudden existence of video games in Gensokyo with "the Kappa made them!", then I don't think anyone could argue against it.
Apparently Remilia reads manga produced by the tengu, and Meiling borrows them sometimes. Also FM Synthesis music exists.

It's not out of the question that Remilia could have got her hands on a game console somehow, but it's doubtful that she'd have much knowledge of games.

But we can say this: it's Ultra-Highly advanced without a doubt. Could maybe be Protoss-level or something like that.
Advanced, but without looking it. They're big on wabi-sabi. You know how in Lord of the Rings, elf rope is tight or loose whenever it's more convenient, elf boats can find their owners, and elf food lasts way longer than it should? That kind of technology, but with a Chinese aesthetic and more scientific language sprinkled in here and there. Or the Thor movie if you prefer: "Your ancestors called it magic, but you call it science. I come from a land where they are one and the same.".

edited 14th Oct '15 5:48:35 PM by Prime32

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#129697: Oct 14th 2015 at 5:47:28 PM

Re: Wabi-sabi:

Wabi-sabi (侘寂?) represents a comprehensive Japanese world view or aesthetic centered on the acceptance of transience and imperfection.

Somehow I don't think they're fans of that.

Prime32 Since: Jan, 2001
#129698: Oct 14th 2015 at 5:50:41 PM

Well, maybe not quite the same thing. Rustic but clinically clean? The Netherworld is where they go to the trouble of fake-aging everything.

MachThreeSlug Since: Dec, 2011
#129699: Oct 14th 2015 at 5:51:23 PM

So the guy who has been translating ZUN's tweets over on Facebook recently finished translating the first page of ZUN's interview from Strange Creators of Outer World.

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#129700: Oct 14th 2015 at 7:53:14 PM

Re: Wabi-sabi:

Gesundheit.


Total posts: 144,122
Top