South Park

Wow. This episode was an emotional roller coaster ride. I honestly think Neither Cartman or Kyle is right for Heidi. But I also hate it that the world does look down upon Cartman at times, but I understand that he has it coming. Kyle was basically getting involved in it because he did feel bad for Heidi, but also it seemed like he was being nosey because it involved Cartman again. It was great seeing Heidi stand up for herself, too bad it was soon shattered by Cartman's manipulative douchbag ways. Also the subplot with Garri-Trump was... hard to swallow, but a good analogy to the state of the union.

Also liked how Kyle whooped Cartman's ass again.

The world has every reason to hate Cartman. Fractured Butthole made sure of that by having Mephistopheles adding disgusting asses to cats for their urine

As for the episode I’ve been told Heidi actually DOES have a more wider body, even if it’s not inmediately obvious.

Also just as Kyle has yet to learn his lesson about his speeches and so Heidi doubled down.

edited 8th Nov '17 11:59:43 PM by OmegaRadiance

Cartman is so fucking awful, but now I'm disappointed in Heidi too.

Except Heidi is doing it as a defensive mechanism (classic Sunk Cost Fallacy) while Cartman is just a sociopath.

I finished this episode, then turned on CNN and am immediately introduced to "China raping us"...

The pundits are right! This president really IS unparodyable. Garrison is turning into Trump, and the real Trump... is turning into Garrison.

edited 9th Nov '17 10:57:19 AM by Redmess

x2 Plus it was the girls ignoring Kyle asking them not to belittle Heidi over dating Cartman that lead her back to him, because those comments got really demeaning towards her just as much as they did towards him.

That's not an excuse to blame an entire group of people for your own fuckups. Only the most pathetic assholes do that.

She's not blaming them, but the way they are acting is no better than Cartman. If you constantly demean a person theyre not going to do what you want and in fact will stand by their decisions because that's human nature. And the girls have bee pretty bad since last season taking their vndictiveness against all boys for what Gerald did. Theyre basically trolls in this situation.

Okay just watch it . . . wow this is the worst case of Stockholm Syndrome I seen on tv. Especially with all the formulas that is fueling it which include:

• Heidi's overall nice girl personality in wanting to help others in need.
• Cartman being his usual sociopathic self in not accepting blame for his own problems and wanting somebody to validate his "awesomeness".
• The boys (sans Kyle) refusal to get involved with the whole thing which actually dates back to the beginning of the season (which really highlights the downside to strong continuity, existing problems gets worse).
• The girls not really being supportive friends by acting like smug cu- uh- fannies about Heidi making a terrible decision.

Seriously, I just got over from reading Shindo L's Emergence (aka hentai I have a VERY hard time to fap to); I did not need another psychologically realistic tragedy making me depressed.

Well at least the Garri Trump subplot was funny.

The problem with the other girls is that in making fun of their relationship, they are also making fun of Heidi, making her feel stupid. Its completely disregarding Heidi's feelings, both at the time she met Cartman, and after her breakup.

And lets not forget these were the same "friends" who treated her like she was dead when she deleted her facebook, which got her down enough to open up to Cartman in the first place.

Have they ever been supportive friends, really? The girl clique has been shown to be pretty poisonous to each other from time to time. Just remember their behaviour in "Stick of Truth".

edited 9th Nov '17 7:09:35 PM by Redmess

Yeah. Good point. Bebe's Boobs Destroy Society, Majorine, The List and The Hobbit are examples of past cliq bitchiness they showcase to one another. Though the point of my comment was meant to highlight one of the reasons that is fueling Heidi's current Stockholm Syndrome towards Cartman

Yeah, this one was depressing for me. Since it seems Cartmen and Heidi's relationship is subtly this season's serial plotline, I want her freed from Cartmen by the end of this. I'm just hoping right now this is the worsening middle and she'll permanently escape him,

Oh and I think they did an interesting idea tackling Trump and the Republican Party as an abusive relationship. Normally I'd laugh at that kind of dark comedy, but the A plot was just too...well, it was just dark and grounded with nothing absurdist.

They are mirrors of each other basically. Garrison to Cartman with Heidi to the Cabinet Members.

Much like Tweek and Craig contrast their relationship in the earlier episode by being healthy and better.

edited 10th Nov '17 3:01:06 PM by OmegaRadiance

With all the things he has done to Heidi, his friends, and his mom and the world around him, It leads me to ask...

Would Cartman be better off dead?

Cartman would have been better off dead from the time he served a child his parents, gloated about it, and literally ate his tears.

And said kid turns out to be his half brother.

Then there'd be no Series. Only Randy and Gerald would be left.

Garrison is still a thing.

And Butters dad.

But Cartman is and has almost always been the main source of all types of different forms of doom to the town. Without that very very very very very very small dick dick around, it would just be as bad as Legends of Chamberlain Heights.

Plus I bet if they did kill him off, there would be a serial plot season about his death, and that's not fun.

Speaking from a non-narrative perspective, yes, Cartmen would be better off dead. We know he likely will have comeuppance, which will be sweet.

What you said. If this was IRL, nobody would be sad if Cartman actually killed himself for real. Hell, I would of joined in with the other boys laughing at Cartman's suicide message/threat on the voicemail even though doing so is, y'know, horrific. Cartman is that shitty of a person.

But for the show's narrative, yeah, killing him off for real would be bad seeing how he is the source of a lot of its key conflicts, and the writers do a good job in initiating satisfying karma on the fat fuck. So there is at least a balance there for his assholeness: he does something incredibly wrong and unsympathetic, he gets taken down in a glorious fashion. Its logical conclusion can be found in the Human Cent Ipad episode where he spent the majority of the episode tormenting his mother to get the latest Apple product, and it ended with God literally smiting him down with lightning!

Ok, this is getting kind of disturbing. Stop condoning such terrible things as real life child suicides, no matter how "bad" the child is.

Cartman is not "bad", though. He's bad.

IRL, children like Cartman don't exist.

Listen... as someone who's struggled with suicidal thoughts myself, and as someone who lost a friend to suicide, I absolutely agree that suicide - especially child suicide - is not a topic that can be treated lightly. And I have nothing but contempt for people who Suicide Dare others in real life.

But we're talking about a child who has, to date, turned a kid's parents into chili and fed them to said kid, pretended to be mentally handicapped to get into the Special Olympics, teamed up with Cthulhu to slaughter entire populations just because he was bitter about being kicked out of his superhero group, and orchestrated a plot to exterminate the Jews. You have to draw the line somewhere.

edited 11th Nov '17 7:04:21 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest

I get what you mean, this is bad like the time I got herded for saying that the best way for an omnicidal maniac robot to go about protecting life was to disassemble himself because he's so dangerously bad at following instructions that this is literally accurate.

Anyway, fuck Cartman. I like him a lot more when he's doing anything redeeming, instead of being a completely, terrifyingly, pettily evil person. Which usually isn't all that funny of a state for him anyway. This Heidi stuff is going on too long.