Etrian Odyssey

The Fallen One sucks.

Killed Iobsvmtsnrskho. it was really easy and I came out of the fight near max HP.

Tried taking on Hot Topic Dragon

it absolutely wrecked me

welp. time to grind until im post-level 80, because being level 70 is clearly not enough.

I wonder if the Iwaoropenelep in EO 4 is the same one Kupala summons.

I don't know, it would be cool if it was though.

Looking at a post from a few pages ago, looks like the Naked Dunban Fencer strategy is solid. If I ever do a challenge on myself after beating V for the first time, I'm definately doing a one Fencer-Only run.

You kill that one.

Speaking of EO, I'm... having huge amounts of trouble with the Untolds. I can't make progress in Stratum 6 of EOU 1 (story) because of the thrice-damned turtle blocking my way. EOU 2 I'm on floor 25 and actually preparing for the Overlord, but I want to kill the FO Es and they're all killing me. Is it just "Abuse Fafnir Accelerate x Resonance"?

jfc the fallen one is awful

like i can beat him- i almost did! he had a sliver of health left!

and then he used dead claw

which hit all of my party

and killed my lansknecht, my arcanist, and (of course) my healer

and then used his lightning attack on my last row right as volt rune ran out

the fight is just tedious in dealing with all the phases and stuff- especially when the phases don't change when they're supposed to (which caused me to use all my Theracia As at the wrong time). and apparently he uses all of his attacks when his health gets really low, which threw me off.

i really want to finish up postgame too so i can get to untold stories, but edgelord dragon has to be a dick (especially since that last fight- he keeps using dead claw right at the beginning and i keep getting unlucky enough that all the hits land whilst also not getting the arm binds i need).

so instead of trying to deal with him the right way, i'm just going to keep throwing "assassinate" at him from my Sniper until it works.

edit: i think part of my issue is my team comp. while my team works for literally everywhere else in the game, four of my members very specifically have low def, while edgelord does a lot of AOE physical attacks. while some of my issue is bad luck with hits and binds, the def is only making the issue worse for when i do get unlucky. i might also just be bad at building a team.

edit 2: out of frustration at the boss, I jokingly rested my whole team and set everyone's subclass to Nightseeker, maxed out their assassin skill, and decided to take on the boss spamming nothing but "assassinate" not expecting it to work (at which point i'd just reload my save from before i did that)

and, uh, killed The Fallen One with my Arcanist using Assassinate. Whatever, I'll take it. Now I just gotta re-rest everyone and get their skills in proper order.

This also really makes me want to use a Nightseeker, but alas my team has been made and I'm almost done with the game anyway.

edited 22nd Aug '16 9:22:06 PM by EpicBleye

Speaking of EO 4, I beat the final boss yesterday. The game was an absolute blast and I enjoyed it a lot. Now for the post game game stuff. I wonder how the dragons differ in this game compared to Untold 1...

(3 turns later)

Welp. I'm dead. I'm really missing the elemental shields from that game.

edited 23rd Aug '16 2:32:39 AM by MachThreeSlug

Runemasters get elemental resistance buffs, although they're not quite as strong.

edited 23rd Aug '16 4:29:16 AM by Clarste

Do they still have pattern to their attacks like in Untold 1? While still a challenge to get through I did at least like the fact that I had to keep an eye on the turn count to know when they were about to use specific attacks.

I don't think so- but as long as you eat the special food by The Great Dragon and equip fire res charms on everyone then he shouldn't be doing any damage with his fire attacks.

That's what I did for all three dragons (albeit, each with their own element), and took all of them out pre-level 70 pretty quickly.

They have patterns to their attacks, yes.

I just kept them bound, mostly. Only one of them was a problem at all, and it was because of the ailment they did.

Thanks for the advice guys. I'll be sure to put it into practice next chance I get.

Also, beware. If you put on too many buffs + debuffs at once, the dragons will use a stronger version of their breath attack that is pretty much a guaranteed party wipe.

I only ever saw it once when I was grinding materials off of them on Casual Mode, though.

Ah. So just like the bonus boss from the first game. I'll keep that in mind then.

So I finally finished up what was left of the 6th dungeon- got all the chemicals and whatnot.

Then I injected them and decided to take on the final boss. I thought it was easy at first- but I just assumed I got lucky with binds and status effects, as well as the fact that the chemicals did most of the work.

Then I "killed it" and it revealed it's true form as the Warped Savior. So. Cool. And so deadly, by god.

So I took the advice you guys gave me and I managed to smash the Blizzard King over the weekend. Man, that felt satisfying. I'll work on taking down the other 2 dragons when I have some free time.

Chemicals only work on the Warped Savior, as a note, not the Insatiable Pupa.

I figured as much. I'm going to have to grind since completely wiped my party with it's elemental attacks almost immediately after it opened its eye.

Decided to start up Untold Stories- I'll defeat the Warped Savior later, but I haven't exactly had the time to dedicate to grinding up my team to be able to handle it and grinding is kind of very boring.

I think I'm going to do Story Mode, since some googling reveals that I have to do Story Mode if I want all the classes. I might end up choosing the easiest difficulty and rushing through it, just so I can do Classic with my own guys. Though mapping everything is part of the fun so.. eh. Maybe I'll just do a crappy mapping job or something.

It's not exactly that you unlock classes for classic mode, and more that two of the characters in story mode have story-only classes, so if you want to use them in Classic you have to import those specific characters on a new game+.

If you really just want to play Classic, and consider Story an annoying thing that you want to get over with as soon as possible, I would definitely recommend just forgetting the story classes and starting on Classic.

edited 31st Aug '16 4:11:00 PM by Clarste

Oh, huh. I can't find a consensus on the quality of the story- is it any good, or is it stereotypical anime cliches and JRPG plots that have been done to death?

Better yet- how does Story compare to EO IV's plot, and how does Classic compare to EO IV's plot?

I'll want to use all new characters for Classic anyway, and if the two classes are relegated to Story-only characters then I'm not going to bother.

I've never actually played the original EO, but from what I hear people are annoyed that they changed a morally ambiguous plot about adventurers chopping up the Labyrinth for no particular reason into a more standard one about saving the world. In other words, actually giving you a motivation other than "because it's there" changed the context of the story in a huge way. Again though, I haven't actually played the original. Nor did I ever finish EOU, come to think of it.

The story characters themselves are generally pretty forgettable other than the Canadian Protector girl, who's sort of an Ensemble Dark Horse.

Compared to IV, well... the basic gimmick of story mode is that they introduced this entirely new dungeon separate from Yggdrasil that you explore 1 floor of between each stratum. In other words they keep forcing you to bounce back and forth between these two places, instead of just letting you naturally delve deeper in the Labyrinth of Yggdrasil. Which some people complain about. On the other hand, that's kind of what EOIV does anyway with its mini-dungeons and plot events.

edited 31st Aug '16 4:32:14 PM by Clarste

Honestly, I prefer what Untold did with the story compared to the original one presented by the original game. Sure, the original game's story was probably a bit more "unique," but I personally found it to be rather "meh," even with the "morally ambiguous" parts.

edited 31st Aug '16 4:35:44 PM by dragonfire5000

This is Untold 1? The Millennium Girl, correct? Well, keeping in mind my lack of experience or knowledge of 5...

Well, my understanding is that Classic mode's story is better than the original EO's, but that's not a high bar to clear; it's like comparing Zero Mission to the original Metroid. Comparing Untold 1's classic story to 4's... I think 4 has the advantage there, although if you're not familiar with EO 1's story, expect some surprises.

Now, as for Story mode... I think that both the Untold games have better stories than any other EO game outside of Persona Q when in Story mode, although 4 is the closest to matching the Untolds to date.

Gameplay wise... Take EO 4's engine, add a couple improvements, then mate it to EO 1's mechanics and balance. After doing that, tear out the subclass system and replace it with Grimore Stones v1.0, and then do some rebalancing on the EO 1 classes, paying particular attention to the Hexer. Slip in the Gunner class from 2, and limit the Highlander class to the Story mode PC, and you've got EO Untold.

(Honestly, Untold 2 is overall better, but that's to be expected. Just be glad they didn't decide to make Untold a higher quality version of the authentic EO 1 experience; I understand it was rather bad, even by the lower standards of 2 and 3 compared to the 3DS games.)

edited 31st Aug '16 4:46:41 PM by Hunter1