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That was pretty funny, though it gets a couple of things wrong:

The "second-class citizen" status of the Colonies was not just perceived or imagined: they were excluded from some rights in the Federation. Voting rights, IIRC. Doesn't excuse the atrocities Zeon committed, but there were some actual grievances to be had on the part of the Spacenoids.

The Sides were entire colony clusters, not just one colony each.

Summation of Zeon's attitude throughout the opening of the conflict is pretty accurate though.

You know, I've never actually seen a source for the "spacenoids were second-class citizens" thing. One of the simultaneously amusing and infuriating things about UC Gundam is the fact that there are a shitload of different sources on everything, especially the pre-war and early-war situation, and most of them contradict each other to a greater or lesser extent. Ultimate Mark's Data Evolution (from the website of Big Name Fan and occasional English-language-localization-consultant Mark Simmons) hits most of them. Nowhere in any of them does it mention that the colonists has fewer legal rights than the people living on Earth or anything like that. The ones that mention it at all suggest that the cultural divide between Earth and Space was due to either the belief that everyone should live in space in order to prevent further environmental damage to Earth, or more general "us vs them" mentality where the people in space saw themselves as fundamentally different from the people still on Earth, while the people on Earth saw the people in space as an extension of Earth-based civilization rather than a wholy new and separate thing.

edited 19th Feb '16 5:00:55 PM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Uh, pretty certain I remember Z, ZZ, and CCA making a point about the colonies being governed by people that've never been to space and not having voting rights

If so, it doesn't matter all that much- all that was post OYW and 0083, long after Zeon made a point of fucking things up for everyone and making a bad name for spacedwellers by going on and on about SPACENOID SUPREMACY and all that.

but HOW?

It was like that before the OYW, Colonial governments were appointed by the Earth government and many were not actually residents of the colony before the appointment.

A few sides managed to get a vetted election system, think the current Hong Kong, but that sucked too because they were mostly all yes men. Side 6 was the only unique one I believe, their government went neutral and just tried to stay out of everything. which was the only example of a government actually looking out for its people in the entire UC timeline.

Side 3 was the only one to actually have a fully independent government, formed 20 years before the war. Yes 20 years before it, Zeon had achieved their actual goal before the war began. They tried to say 'we are freeing the other spacenoids' but well they never actually tried that, they just blew up or gassed colonies.

That would be the "us vs them" mentality that I mentioned.

That I definitely don't recall ever being mentioned.

I've never seen a source for that, either.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Its only brought up in the animes in Zeta with that one Governor of that Side 4? colony that was about to be gassed. But its brought up in many of the pre-OYW mangas.

It how Zeon Deikun got control of Side 3. He was appointed there in their lone attempt to placate the lower class citizens in space before rebellion sparked. Of course the second he was appointed to Side 3 he declared independence and the feds responded by cutting off Side 3 from supplies and Side 3 armed itself just for self defense while it grabbed various resources to survive, all of which was exactly what Deikun wanted, some of those resources would become A Baoa Qu and Axis.

Then Deikun died and Zabi transformed the Republic of Zeon into the Principality of Zeon and that colonial guard was transformed into an invasion force and all went to hell.

Also during the migration to space, only the wealthy and influential members of society were able to remain on Earth. You literally or your nation had to buy your way out of getting kicked off the planet, which funded kicking the poor saps off the planet.

edited 20th Feb '16 12:43:38 PM by Memers

Do you actually know what manga specifically you're referring to? Because "it's in a lot of manga" isn't actually a source that I can go and check on.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

It is the year 0079 of the Universal Century. Half a century has passed since the Earth began moving its burgeoning population into gigantic orbital space colonies...

"It's been over fifty years since the elite of Earth, consumed by greed, took control of the Earth Federation..."

...maybe there actually was an itsy-bitsy nugget of accuracy in that speech...

The Tomino novel, the Unicorn novel and parts of it are in The Origin.

There is that too.

edited 20th Feb '16 1:45:39 PM by Memers

The Tomino novels I don't recall that from, but I can double check. Unicorn and The Origin, quite honestly, I don't really consider authoritative sources, given that they're both 30 years after the fact and Unicorn, at least, blatantly retcons the shit out of a lot of stuff anyway. (The Origin I'm not familiar with, so I couldn't comment.) That said, the Unicorn OVA actually goes out of its way to say that it wasn't just the perennial underclass that went into space. (The diner scene in episode 4; the exact line is "Most think it was only the poor that were forced out into space, but the truth is a lot of people left Earth on their own". A bit later, he says "Both those in the Federation and the colonists were motivated by the hope that they could save humanity", so it certainly doesn't seem that Unicorn thinks the colonies were created or used by the Federation just to ship the dirty masses off somewhere where the rich and powerful didn't have to look at them.)

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

And then, Zeon start to gassing other colonies and kill everyone who stand in the way. I actually like that from the series, sometimes, the rebellion against corrupt politicians can be worse than the politicians. Heck, the rebellion can make the corruption worse.The change is fine and deserve be intentated, social change is good and worth a try, but don't be too exaggerated. You can easily become a pawn for power hungry assholes worse than the corrupt politicians.

Or that is the way how i can feel the UC, i live in Perú, a country filled with corrupt politicians. You know what is one of our candidates for President? The daughter of a dictator with crimes against humanity, who share the same ideals and show zero shame for the actions of her parent. Seriously, she is free to postulate and no one say who she can't...she is the favorite to win this time.

The other ones are nearly as iffy as her. Including a guy who publicly say who all his donations are for can get more votes.. And we have comproved criminals in the congress, Yes....

The aesop of UC Gundam resonate a lot with me, because when people start rebelions against the corruption with terrorism...Well, Perú always had issues but the worst of it started with the Terrorism. The aesop of UC who "have care with your ideals of social change" managed to be very important to me.

edited 20th Feb '16 5:04:52 PM by KazuyaProta

Watch me destroying my country

So Unicorn is getting a TV version

Edit: Seems like this is probably Sunrise scrambling to hold on to the timeslot after Brave Beats got cancelled. It's a kids' slot, so there might be some odd edits

edited 20th Feb '16 9:09:11 PM by Hylarn

Not Rape as Backstory? Maybe?

This is...weird, by one side, actually Unicorn as a full series has a lot of potential, but by other side...seriously?

Eh...Good Luck Sunrise.

Watch me destroying my country

Two cours? I know the last episode was like two hours long by itself, but was there really enough material there to spread it out that long? Dunno if it'll be worth watching for the extra five minutes of new content here and there, but more music sounds great to me!

The OVA version felt like it was missing a lot of scenes, so stretching it out to a 2 cour TV anime honestly strikes me as a good idea. But running it as a kids' series...

Is it true that Chiaki Morosawa had passed away today? I saw some posts in Reddit, Neo GAF, and Game FA Qs mentioning of her recent passing. I checked other sites like Anime News Network and Tokyo Otaku Mode but there's no news about.

Anyone can verify this?

edited 21st Feb '16 3:39:11 AM by otakuako

A voice actor on twitter is claiming that she died, but there's been no official confirmation. I'd take it with a grain of salt

Turning Unicorn into a 2-cour show isn't actually much of a stretch at all. The OVA has 6 hour-long episodes and one 90-minute episode. Given commercials, credits, time for the OP and ED, etc, a half-hour TV slot actually has about 20 minutes of show. That would put the 450-minute total runtime of Unicorn at 22-and-a-half episodes, and I imagine they'll have to reuse a nontrivial amount of footage to make episode transitions and commercial breaks smoother. So you're looking at around somewhere between one and three episodes worth of new content, depending on how many episodes they actually get.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

They also are probably going to animate the new Unicorn novel covering the origins of the third suit that is coming out soon too for more material.

edited 21st Feb '16 7:03:08 AM by Memers

Sorry to interrupt,but I just thought to say hi.As a Gundam fan myself and all. Not sure why Unicorn even needs a remake,but okay...Its Sunrise.They did weirder things.

edited 21st Feb '16 11:50:49 PM by 8Kids

I'm not the nicest bloke you've ever met, but I do me best.

I don't think it's intended to be a remake so much as a format shift from an OVA to a TV series. I doubt there will be a whole lot in the way of reanimated footage, though there may be a new scene here and there to cover stuff that they drop for content (eg, I doubt we'll see a discussion of Marida's past as a sex slave), and maybe some new stuff at the end (though that may overlap with the episode 8 of the OVA that they announced, too).

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Re-airing?Anyway,looks like they are a little low on ideas in any case.

I'm not the nicest bloke you've ever met, but I do me best.

Gundam Wing Endless Waltz was recut for TV airing way back in 97. This is nothing remotely new hell most OA Vs get aired on TV eventually too. Unicorn never actually aired on TV in Japan, it was a straight to Bluray OAV series.

edited 22nd Feb '16 1:03:54 AM by Memers

I'm just hoping they'll clarify on what Full Frontal is.