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TheCuriousFan Since: Jan, 2011
#14926: Jun 19th 2015 at 4:54:05 PM

Two interesting Wo Js that I've found (that appear to be incomplete, maybe I'll look up the full ones later).

We’ll get into that a bit more as the books go on, we hit on Hades a little bit in Skin Game and looked at some of the Greeks but ye as we go we’ll get a little bit more.

Could you introduce Váli (Son of Odin), just a thought.

I can’t steal your character, I have to respect the world that you’ve built but I think we’ll actually get to see some jötunns (I think the plural is jötnar) in the next book which’ll be nice.

You can imagine the reaction of the… einherjaren (pronounced: in-hairy-are-n).

“Jötuns? Jötuns, yes! finally we get to do something significant.”

They’d be totally pumped about something like that and everybody else is gonna be looking at them like they're insane, that’s the kind of things those guys would be worked up for. Big league fighting against the jötuns.

And one about the White Council and the Black Council.

They’re the image of too much authority and paralytic authority and badly applied authority, they can occasionally get things done and they do occasionally serve a useful purpose and some of the things they do are critical and that’s why they can stay around because they do have a few critical functions but mostly they just interfere with people and get in the way.

The White Council has long been my example of good intentions run amok, they were meant to be something that was good and positive and a force for protection and enlightenment but instead they kind of wind up being a bunch of thugs who end up killing a bunch of kids because they’re badly playing catch-up because they can’t keep pace with the world that has accelerated around them.

[…]Black Council is on the other end, the White Council is a force of restraint and keeping things buttoned down and under control and the BC is more along the lines of, “Well, if you got the power you should use it anyway you want to, you’ve got the power that’s what it’s for.”

They’ve caused all kinds of havoc that even Dresden hasn’t realised yet. And still more bad stuff that’s coming in the future, hehe.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#14927: Jun 19th 2015 at 5:06:56 PM

Huh, it would seem Kim is on the same page as L RE: White Council.

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#14928: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:18:37 AM

[up][up] Where did you find that first one?

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TheCuriousFan Since: Jan, 2011
#14929: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:26:21 AM

I copypasted them from someone else's post when they transcribed them, they're from a recent interview about LAR Ping.

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#14930: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:29:50 AM

I can has link?

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math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#14932: Jun 20th 2015 at 11:37:21 AM

So according to that interview he says something along the lines of "we might see some jotun in the next book."

WELP.

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Thnikkafan ? from Faroe Islands (not really) Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#14933: Jun 20th 2015 at 12:58:48 PM

Hm. Jotun-Aesir peace talks?

Now that has the potential for disaster.

Anyone who assigns themselves loads of character tropes is someone to be worried about.
rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#14934: Jun 20th 2015 at 12:59:39 PM

Maybe ask Thor if he wouldn't mind staying home for that one.

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#14935: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:01:13 PM

Does it count as foreshadowing if the Paranet Papers speculated on the Jotun showing up and then they do?

Because their Catch in the book is listed as 'Mjolnir.'

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rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#14936: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:07:15 PM

That whole writeup admits they're following mythology and guesswork more than hard facts, though, and it's not like the RPG statblocks haven't been very wrong before.

If it is right, though, the non-Thor segment of the population can fall back on elemental opposition, attacking fire jotuns with ice and suchlike.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#14937: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:24:19 PM

[up][up] Heh.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#14938: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:56:34 PM

From our DFRP Session:"Can buildings have a glass jaw?"note 

Dresden might approve of that.

edited 20th Jun '15 2:01:06 PM by 3of4

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#14939: Jun 20th 2015 at 3:17:28 PM

And then Wardens chopped off her head?

Or she carved a trail of terror and death soon after?

Or everyone was all like, "Oh, good thing he lived."

As a wizard, caving in a roof on someone does not seem like the result of a good roll, unless wizards must always live in fea of a nat 20.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#14940: Jun 20th 2015 at 3:28:39 PM

About that second WOJ, it's interesting how the Council does its best with the situation they currently have, but they do nothing to change it in the first place. The Paranet, by spreading awareness of magic to beneath-wizard-level talents, is probably doing more to prevent black magic rampages than any amount of beheadings, and helping the would-be black mages along the way.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
RBomber Since: Nov, 2010
#14941: Jun 20th 2015 at 11:54:39 PM

@Aesir-Jotun "Peace Talk": So no Dresden girls bonding time, then? sad

Just kidding!grin Though I wouldn't mind those.

@Glass jaw building: Civilian demolition corporation is basically expert on this, since most of their job is basically performing Hokuto no Shinken on dilapidated buildings.

@White Council ineptitude: It could be attributed on Senior Council`s ages and bad experiences on wizard communities during last millenia. Also, cheap public communication that quickly overtook muggle world usually cannot be accessed by most wizard.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#14942: Jun 20th 2015 at 11:59:40 PM

Oh yeah, their anti-tech aura, that shit has not helped at all.

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#14943: Jun 21st 2015 at 12:08:03 AM

[up][up] Considering the Fomor and jotun are 'cousins', they probably show up as muscle, not as a part of the settlement itself.

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3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#14944: Jun 21st 2015 at 1:07:57 AM

In DFRP the player has power of decision (and he should discuss it with the GM) about the exact nature of the outcome. So its only a lawbreaking when the player decides it is. For example I could simply take that very good roll and decide that it threw the sniper off the roof as it collapsed and he landed on the next roof a floor below, with an epic headache tongue

(it was apparently not a human anyway)

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#14945: Jun 21st 2015 at 4:12:14 PM

re: White Council, I can't remember where it comes up, but it's implied pretty heavily that the main reason they've lapsed into ineffectiveness is because the population of humanity has exploded in the last few centuries. In 1800, there were barely a billion people in the world. 200 years later, it was six billion. Now, only 15 years after that, it's seven billion and change. Given that White Council level wizards can live for centuries and take decades to really grow into their powers, there's no way in hell the White Council has had their numbers keep pace with the world population at large. That means fewer people doing more work — which means more lopping off heads to prevent a warlock from going free, rather than having the luxury of a rehabilitation process like Harry and Molly benefited from. It also means more people becoming warlocks in the first place out of nothing but ignorance (again, like Molly) because there's no one to teach them the laws of magic.

The solution, of course, is to get more manpower — which Harry has done with the Paranet. Just because they don't have White Council level powers doesn't mean they're idiots — and there's a hell of a lot more "minor" talents than there are people with proper White Council potential. Harnessing that is pretty much the best possible way to deal with the White Council's manpower issues — especially if the Paranet has a way to get the White Council proper involved if they run into something truly out of their league.

edited 21st Jun '15 4:53:27 PM by NativeJovian

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SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#14946: Jun 21st 2015 at 4:19:57 PM

It also ties in with the minor theme Butcher has of 'monsters have it easy'. While it was funny in Small Favor when Harry gets all jealous of Thomas being so cool fighting when he doesn't practice, doesn't exercise, and doesn't moisturize, in a sense all the 'monstrous' bad guys grow stronger easier than the nominal good guys. It's Linear Warriors, Quadratic Wizards played horrifyingly straight, and the 'warriors' have a bigger start.

edited 21st Jun '15 4:20:22 PM by SCMof2814

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#14947: Jun 21st 2015 at 5:17:05 PM

Probably more along the lines of Evil Is Easy, if that's a trope.

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SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#14948: Jun 21st 2015 at 5:18:23 PM

Well, since fey are involved, Blue And Orange Are Easy can be more accurate.

zam Since: Jun, 2009

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