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The game even lets you decide at the end of the case whether to push for a Not Guilty verdict or allow the indefensibly guilty person go to jail.

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And you actually can pull an actually guilty guy out?

Yes.

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Damn.

That highlights how the genre feels too weird to even try watching/playing - it's like it doesn't at all care about determining the truth and only wanks the lawyers' uber-skills that can turn the court whichever way they want.

edited 11th Oct '14 2:01:29 PM by Adannor

No, it's pretty hell-bent on determining the truth. It's like a puzzle game about crime; the ultimate goal of each case is to not only prove your client's innocence beyond a shadow of a doubt - remember, despite what the localization may try to claim to the contrary, this is Japan, where a defendant is guilty until proven innocent; defense attorneys are considered the scum of the earth, while it's not uncommon for prosecutors to go their entire careers without a single defeat - but also to identify exactly what went down and determine who the real killer was. The games often treat Phoenix like he's the only one who actually gives a shit about finding the truth behind the case, while the prosecutors are just furthering their own agendas or trying to pad out their Win/Loss record.

The case that allows you to get a guilty man off with a Not Guilty sentence treats it as the Bad Ending; each game has a Bad Ending in the final case if you screw up. An innocent person is found guilty in his place, Phoenix never quite gets over the guilt of what he's done, and the miracle never happen.

edited 11th Oct '14 2:10:51 PM by TobiasDrake

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In the real world, at least in America, people don't become defense attorneys because they only take the innocent people and know instantly which people are guilty. They take cases because they believe in the concept of "innocent until proven guilty", and try to do the best work they can for their client. The point of being an advocate isn't to pass judgment on everyone that comes your way seeking help.

The sad, REAL American dichotomy

Of course, at the very end, you can still say "okay, let's go for "not guilty"", when it's been established that the hitman your client betrayed is now gunning for him. Unsurprisingly, your client then begs for a guilty verdict, as being in jail is probably the safest thing for him at this point. Saying you're pulling for "not guilty" is you taunting him with his hopelessness.

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Basically, the Phoenix Wright games are awesome, and you should totally play them some time.

Personally, I consider them to be better Sherlock Holmes games than actual Sherlock Holmes games.

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Of course, Sherlock Holmes games tend to suck big time, so that's not much of a standard.

The next Ace Attorney game is also a Holmes game, so...

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I didn't even know there were Sherlock Holmes games.

I think pretty much every franchise that's well known by the public (even if just through Popcultural Osmosis) has had a game made of it at some point, assuming it wasn't a game to start with.

(And most of them suck. )

edited 11th Oct '14 10:54:49 PM by Nohbody

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For what it's worth, I recall rather enjoying Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened and Sherlock Holmes Versus Jack the Ripper, and recall hearing good things about Sherlock Holmes Versus Arsène Lupin.

edited 12th Oct '14 7:15:08 AM by ArsThaumaturgis

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The Holmes games are great when they're about examining, obtaining clues, and piecing them together.

The problem is that this represents approximately 10% of the gameplay, with the remainder being out-of-nowhere minigame puzzles, backtracking an umpteenth time, and boring people discussing the case in monotone.

Each case of the Phoenix Wright series, on the other hand, is one long deduction puzzle.

edited 12th Oct '14 10:25:59 AM by TobiasDrake

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New one up. Not in color, yet.

http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/comic/the-straw-that-broke-the-robocamels-exoskeleton

Raiden, I feel your pain, blood.

Colored now, BTW.

And judging from the comments, I'm not the only one who has no idea about what that captcha actually is. It takes some work to make a captcha that's even less legible than normal.

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Hehehe. Nice one.

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Captcha isn't about proving your humanity, it's about using thousands of innocent people to search for meaning in blasphemous, eldritch runes and activating them to cast horrible digit-age spells that unravel the fabric of reality and release the Sealed Evil in a Can.

edited 13th Oct '14 10:17:29 AM by Rotpar

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Which may not be entirely a joke; I've heard one of the things Captcha is used for is making sense of writing on old archaeological discoveries that are difficult to translate due to the letters themselves being unclear by putting it into a captcha and letting thousands of people tell you what they think it is.

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It's much more mundane. It's just using people to help identify scanned images of text, to aid in making digital copies of existing books.

Assuming the site is using those kind of captchas. They're not all part of that program/project.

That's impossible. The Laundry would shut them down, hard, before it ever got that far.

I didn't write any of that.

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Oh really when?

The whole skeleton war shit was started by Dril?

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Coelasquid makes the best version of a lot of characters.