Adventure Time

What is that responding to?

Adding further interjection... is there some kind of symbolic significance to Season 6 "Walnuts Rain," or was that just a fun Alice In Wonderland-style trip Finn and Jake found themselves on?

The latter...you don't need to look to deep into anything in that episode. Except for Finn's reaction to Bill wanting a hotdog...

edited 3rd Jan '17 6:13:32 AM by randomness4

Not sure if joking, but I'll accept that.

And one more if I may. "The Mountain" episode from the same season.

I know there was something else going on there. All three mirrors seemed to show "something you want, something you'd hate or fear, and something that is/something you've already experienced."

The Wiki says that the significance here is that Finn, unlike Lemongrab, is already at peace with his "present." Of course he still has some feelings toward Flame Princess - the first mirror gives him the opportunity to take Cinnabon's place. Then the thing he dislikes is BMO and Jake eating his favorite snack without him. While his present is just a... butterfly? Finn even calls it his spirit animal.

edited 3rd Jan '17 6:27:00 AM by Soble

The third mirror is just "something" from the past, it showed a butterfly because it was shown prior (and brought up again in the season finale) that one of Finn's past lives was a butterfly.

Also he summoned butterflies in Season 3...they may just be his spirit animal.

His conflicted feelings on FP were the main reason he was able to get into the mountain. Finn's definitely not completely at peace, Jake is typically the only one usually content with life.

edited 3rd Jan '17 6:34:56 AM by randomness4

CN released a video on youtube about their 2017 content.

Adventuretime is nowhere to be seen.

Granted, this appears to be aimed at the children, where networks don't have to be factual.

(2) Ah. .

Alright. I didn't see that coming. There's actually "Gunter" the Penguin, and "Gunther" the Dinosaur. I misheard the latter's name and thought he was Gunter's original form.

Which makes Gunther seem a little... unnecessary? That story only explains how the Ice Crown came to be, but what ultimately happened to him and Evergreen?

And this season's had a lot of build-up to the Comet but I'm losing track of its origin and purpose. So if I've got this right so far, at least up to "Orgalorg":

• Glob and the Martians were trying to stop the comet. They succeeded but Glob died. This only redirected the comet to Earth.
• Sweet Pea dreams that he's a comet, and that there's supposedly a "fake" comet. So I guess it has something to do with the Lich.
• Gunther and Evergreen were attempting to deal with the comet and failed due to Gunther getting possessed by the crown.
• We've seen the comet multiple times in little exchanges. Wasn't Finn's dad actually piloting the comet at one point, or was that a dream metaphor episode? Or was that the fake comet that Sweet Pea mentioned?
• And now Gunther is Orgalorg who intended to absorb the comet's power?

edited 4th Jan '17 11:58:09 AM by Soble

Gunther and Gunter are interchangeable...via script or Tom Kenny's pronunciation.

Glob was only intending to redirect the comet because it's not suppose to hit Mars. The Comet Martin drove was fake, yes.

Evergreen and the other Elements died and reincarnated as mentioned by the Fire Elemental in the episode. Gunther the dinosaur died in his crazy warped perception of Evergreen given by the Crown.

Orgalorg intended to absorb the newest Catalyst Comet. We were show 3 separate comets...and Martin's fake one.

I don't get what you mean by Gunter being useless...he's why the crown makes non-magic people crazy...and why Ice King named his Penguins Gunther.

edited 4th Jan '17 6:13:17 AM by randomness4

This is reminding me of how weird and crazy Season 6 got. Oi.

And now I'm watching Part 2 of Stakes, "Everything Stays."

...why is every episode about Marceline heavy?

And let me see if I've got Marceline's history right:

• She's actually the biological daughter of Mr. Abadeer.
• For some reason she was abandoned in the human world, not a vampire yet.
• Apparently she had a human mom as a child.
• Mushroom War happened, and then Simon adopted her.
• He abandoned her because he couldn't trust himself due to the madness of the crown.
• Marceline grew up and was hunting vampires for some reason.
• (Spoilers) I know she gets bitten by the Vampire King in either the next episode or somewhere by the end, but even without being spoiled she has to get bitten anyway because we know she's a vampire in the present... or was anyway.
• Marceline lives some 1,000 years in the Land of Ooo, befriending Princess Bubblegum at some point.

Questions:

• Why did Marceline start hunting vampires? She didn't know about the humans at first. She just did this to level up?
• The humans Marceline saved were building the boat so that they could find a place to hide from the vampires... but they also knew about the comet? It seems kind of odd for the narrative to acknowledge the comet right after Finn and Jake have already dealt with it - granted, this is a flashback.

Eh, I'm not sure either. My thought was that Gunther and Gunter were the same person. SO the reveal of Orgalorg made "Gunter" the Dinosaur, putting on the crown and failing to stop the comet, seem pointless because either origin would have worked, and Gunter the Dino ultimately didn't accomplish anything. I was confused and thought they'd somehow gone from Gunther being a dinosaur and putting on the crown, to Gunther suddenly being an alien squid monster, in which case the first origin didn't make sense and didn't have much relevance. Buuuuuut crown hadn't been explained up until that point so Evergreen and Gunter's story did have a point to it.

So that's all hogwash.

Marceline hunting vampires is explained during the mini-series...

Basically Gunther the dinosaur was accidentally responsible for the crown's curse: Evergreen mistreated him and always said "Gunther, no". Unfortunately, Gunther the dinosaur still respected his master. The crown made whatever you wished the most come true, and Evergreen tried to make Gunther put it on to wish the comet away. Unfortunately, Gunther's wish was to be Evergreen.

So now, every time somebody puts on the crown, they become Evergreen and refer to everyone as "Gunter". Simon referred to Marceline as "Gunter" at the end of Simon & Marcy, for example.

And let's keep in mind Gunter the Penguin (or, well, the main Gunter) has been implied to be an abnormal creature for a while. He laid an egg that hatched into a flying purple cat back sometime in the show's first two seasons.

edited 8th Jan '17 10:01:59 AM by AdricDePsycho

But:

• Why would Gunther's original wish override all others? I imagine it's some bit of dialogue Evergreen provided that I'm not remembering but it seems weird that everyone would be modeled after Gunther's initial wish.
• Why would being like Evergreen make everyone else crazy when Evergreen himself was an arguably rational person? Ice King only resembles Evergreen in appearance.
• What happened to Gunther, did he just go mad, become the proto-Ice King and eventually pass away? I remember him repeating the same phrase over and over and the episode ending in a vague manner.
• What happened to the comet in Evergreen's time if Gunther didn't wish it away? Did it land and kill everyone from that time period? Is Evergreen's time before or after the Mushroom War?

Actually, bump it, I'ma go rewatch that episode.

edited 8th Jan '17 10:16:01 AM by Soble

The comet killed everyone (I think it's implied to the be one that caused the K-T Mass Extinction), Gunther turned into what he thought Evergreen was like (which skewered the wish), and I think there's some dialogue about the crown only granting the one wish, which is why Evergreen was so desperate.

Ah okay. Rewatched.

Evergreen describes the crown as granting one wish, and that it would bond to the first person to put it on. It's said in that typical Adventure Time way but it's said. So Gunther donked it up just like Evergreen feared and his wish imprinted onto the crown, and everyone who wears it becomes loony. But Gunther's wish was to be his version of Evergreen - which took the form of Evergreen constantly reprimanding him.

That still seems a bit different from how Ice King and Farmworld Finn were - we do hear Ice King chant "Gunther no!" repeatedly, but his personality's still different. If he was borrowing Gunther's twisted vision of Evergreen I would expect him to be chanting to himself over and over again. Farmworld Finn didn't exhibit this at all. He just kept obsessing over creating a world of frost.

Weirder still - the crown instantly overwhelmed Gunther. We see this with Farmworld Finn (who I'd reckon is a bit stronger than Gunther in terms of willpower), but he still resists it somewhat. Simon meanwhile held on for as long as he could and lasted from Marcy being a toddler to her being a preteen. And we still don't know the exact moment when he completed his transformation into the Ice King.

edited 8th Jan '17 10:57:15 AM by Soble

I'm gonna assume that the crown's magic probably affects people differently as it had been passed down to different people through the ages. Simon and Farmworld Finn probably still retain some of their personality, but it's mixed in with Gunther's wish.

edited 8th Jan '17 10:42:32 AM by AdricDePsycho

There's also an extreme sense of preservation that also comes with putting on the crown...that seems to be thing with Ice in general with this show, but that makes sense.

Yeah, that makes sense. Just curious is all.

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That all aside I'm really enjoying Everything Stays. Like, more than I should be. These sugary pieces have been getting to me recently.

Though, I do have to question how and why Marceline's mom got together with Hunson Abadeer who as far as I can tell is Adventure Time's equivalent of the Devil.

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Really beginning to see just how messed up Adventure Time's world is:

And I'm starting to see even more just how messed up Adventure Time is. On one hand it's incredibly diverse and several different kinds of people are living together, and we haven't heard of any wars in particular - even the Lemon Kingdom seems to be running relatively fine. Flame and Candy Kingdom almost had one, but apart from that, everything else seems to be fine, or at least taking a backseat to Finn and Jake's adventures, and interaction with the Comet.

But so far:

• They have a kingdom that's regularly assaulted by paranormal phenomenon (cue PB's admission to Marcy about needing to be prepared for anything and everything)
• The humans were all wiped out during the Mushroom War.
• Which may in turn have had some part in creating The Lich.
• The Lich once had, or is at least aware of a way to cross into alternate universes, which are guarded by an all-knowing but equally bumbling overseer who regularly hangs out in a jacuzzi.
• What humans are alive are living underground and wearing animal hats.
• At least one group of humans was being terrorized by a clan of vampires. Oh yeah, those are real too.* The earth has been ripped apart by nuclear fallout and transformed into a fairy wonderland, full of either mutated candy, horrible monsters, or oozing ghouls.
• The Devil and several other elementals freely walk the earth.
• And to top it all off, a giant comet shows up to wipe out all life. It's already done this once, and would have done so again...
• If not for Orgalorg, who wanted to absorb its power for something probably nefarious.

That's not even getting into the Grass Sword, Finn breaking his promise in the earlier seasons and summoning some kind of celestials, and all of the misadventures that happen whenever Martin or Magic Man are around.

And, come to think of it, I'm pretty sure PB's telapathic chimera is still battling the Finn-chimera on top of one of the castle walls.

edited 8th Jan '17 11:02:54 AM by Soble

So you're out of Season 6, then. What were your thoughts on it? We've been discussing a lot about the season being incredibly love it or hate it for people.

Humans living underground?

Are Susan's people not merely mutated humans? They seemed to be living underground in Dark Purple.

I mean yeah, not human anymore but the closest thing to, besides the Business Men Finn and Jake found, and Finn himself.

(2) That's a hard question for me since I watched it so sporadically. Was it my favorite season, certainly not. Some revelations came out (Gunther's identity, as well as the origin of the crown) but there were a number of forgettable episodes. I like that they built up to the comet, but somehow this season managed to feel unfocused.

I guess I'm in line with the others - this season felt like a big experiment. Far less endearing than previous seasons, but a lot more interesting. Some episodes like Friends Forever felt redundant, others like Evergreen actually provided new information, and some like Gold Stars started off meek but paid off in the end. But there wasn't any emotional pay-off.

I do like the "resolution" to Martin and Finn's subplot actually - Finn just accepting that his dad is the way he is. Feels, I don't know, like a cartoon taking a topic like parental neglect and putting a realistic, if somewhat cynical spin on it.

"Look there is no fairy tale ending for this. Finn didn't magically make his dad start caring. Sometimes parents just don't care and their kids learn to move on. Now watch Martin transcend to a higher state of being! This is all the closure Finn is going to get!"

I don't know. I'm conflicted on this season's quality. I'd need to go back through it and binge it instead of watching a piece here and a piece there. I'd like to say that the fact that I didn't binge it indicates how little this season managed to hold my attention, but the episode count definitely pitched in there.

edited 8th Jan '17 12:07:12 PM by Soble

Some people who liked Season 6 have said that it's better when it's taken in all at once, though I don't know if they say that because it's true or because of the shitty airing schedule for it.

They aren't humans...they are...Hyoo-mans.

They were always living underground.

It's certainly a thing, but the show never tackles "mutated humans"...and after Susan Strong's debut episode, the idea of the being human or anything close is dropped after it was revealed that they were fish people.

It's probably because of the schedule, I definitely can't binge it...and I like it wholesome, besides that one episode.

edited 11th Jan '17 5:21:22 AM by randomness4

Maybe there's gonna be a few previews for the mini-series, but instead have a teaser because those aren't spoiler-y.

Well next week is when Adventure Time comes back on from hiatus. Given Regular Show has aired its series finale, I'm kind of nervous about how Adventure Time will end. The show's quality has gone up and down so much that it makes me worried that the ending won't live up to whatever people are expecting.